WW3
 

It's comin! All this Iranian stuff is puuurty scary.

I mean, it is scary, and the US is being fucking idiots all over the world, but truth be told, Iran can't hurt anyone. If they even try to use one of those nukes on any of us, we'll have that nuke shot down in minutes. It's scary for the middle east though.

Well I mean more along the lines of us not doing anything at all. Then all the other countries out there will be like "Hey they're not doing shit all so lets be bad little countries!"

A) It won't be ww3
B) I already called this war starting. Unless Iran releases the prisoners, this will start a Britain vs. Iran war, in which we will be pulled in to.
C) If it does start, Iran is fucked because of the bases already set up in Iraq and Kuwait
D) I don't think they actually have any nukes yet. They might have enough material for one bomb, but with the stuff we have in Iraq, and their lack of technology I don't think they can hit anywhere outside of Israel and Saudi Arabia, don't quote me on that I haven't read about Iranian missile tech. in awhile.
E) The only way this will turn in to a world war is if China decides to back Iran. This won't happen because China's economy will literally go to shit. Unless Russia has had something happen to it in the past year that I didn't notice, they won't go against the U.S. again right now..This leaves N. Korea who at this point in time can only hit Japan, and aren't stupid enough (theoretically..wars are never started by smart people, just ended by them)..

However, i see britain and iran going to war with us getting dragged in to it..which will actually help our economy, and help hte situation in Iraq I think.

A) It could be with the unrest in the world today. Iran, Iraq, N Korea, Afghanistan, Syria

B) Everyone called this war. Anyone with half a brain to see what was obvious anyway. I do see it being the Brits on the front though, and us in the support, which is good IMO since we don't need to lead every war on this planet ffs.

C) As well as Turkey and all Nato bases in that region.


On a side note though Skoob, what are you going to do now that the Air Force isn't accepting officers like they used to? They're cutting 40,000 AirForce as well as reducing AF Officers down to just 9,000 total. Bush has overspent by far, and the Air Force is suffering for it. Most places are at 70% manning as is, before the 40,000 cut. It's pretty rediculous. They are allowing people to go to the Army though. Army is always open, but it's broke as shit too.

This captain who just came back from Iraq was saying over there they put you into hooches, which normally fit like 5 people max, but with the Army they're packing 10 and 11 people into 1 because of lack of funds. The Army doesn't have enough vehicles either, so people will spend months doing nothing but going to work, and going back to their stuffed tent, with nothing else between. That Moral overall is getting pretty low because of these things.

So what are your plans?

Policing the world. Considering the lack of wars in the past 30 or so years I think the U.S. has done a pretty good job. And it IS the U.S., the U.N. or NATO has never stepped in to do what has to be done. I think being hated is worth 30 years of world peace.

You might argue that the U.S. has been the most active in wars. Well, just the presence of the United States and having them intervene is enough to scare most countries out of doing something stupid.

And then you have instances like Sudan and North Korea, the genocides that are happening around the world. And you realize that the United States STILL isn't doing enough. Because they would be at war all the time and be hated by almost every country.

The people on this planet still have another hundred years or two before they are ready for world peace. There will always be war as long as there are countries and there will always be countries as long as others have prejudice. Just look at the middle east, they would never accept another religion on their "holy land". The whole god damn planet is holy land to them, just some land is holier than others.

And then you have American children. There are exceptions, but the vast majority grow up to accept others. The fight for world acceptance is something that we cannot afford to lose, or else we will regress as a human civilization. The war is against those who do not value the sanctity of others.

Way wrong. I'll tell u they deffinately DO have the technology and deffinately DO have nukes. U think they would launch one bomb? Thats just the most ridiculous shit ive ever heard. Like you could possibly read the up to date information on the technology they have there lmfao
Not only will canada automatically be dragged into this war as well but thats gonna give the u.s another reason to be in there, and if this ever does start it's going to be over in a flash and it's not going to be pretty.

I really am scared for any of it to happen and even tho i'm not religious i pray it doesn't go any farther than it already has

Wow scorp, lol. I can say with near 100% certainty that I dissagree with everything you just said. The US in it's current state breads hate and causes wars. Right now, the US isn't a country of acceptance, it's a country of "do it our way, or we'll force it on you". By your way of thinking, if someone is accused of murder, we should shoot them in the head before trial. Fuck the UN and peace talks, it's all about action! Let's destroy the planet and leave nothing for our children! Fuck them, it's all about US! and NOW!

I'm sorry, but I can't think that way. I have to think of the future of this country and the future of my children, and on this current path, there is none. I can see us being a world police to a point, but not what we're doing now. I can see us working with other countries to help keep order on this planet, but not the way we're doing it now. We have NO real allies, every country hates us. The Brits can't stand us, the Australians, and now the people we thought were our close allies, Saudi Arabia is even speaking out against us. By the time my children are my age, they will live in a land devastated by debt, and be labeled as the warts of the world for all to pick on. THAT is the future we are creating.

World peace for 30 years? Where have you been? There have been plenty of wars, and terrorism is on a high, the new kind of warfare. We as a country bread terrorists, and it's only going to get worse before it can get better while under this administration. We, the US, created a war in Iraq based on lies to fit our own agenda. There was no legit reason for the war other than the US felt like causing a war. How is that peace?

What seriously boggles my mind though, is how many Americans are blind to the real world. It saddens me.

America gets bitched at if we don't help and bitched at if we do help. We tried staying out of WWII and got bitched at. Now we go in and still get bitched at. So why don't we just go in and turn the country into whatever we want. We are still the biggest civilization that has not tried to take over the world.

100% infidel and proud of it! Hahahahaha oh I hate the Middle East.
They ride camals and we just want to see some camal toe!

I know your a hard core liberal Khaoz so lets agree to disagree. I'll just say that the U.N. is a total joke, that I applaud the U.S. for stepping in and taking action, and that there are situations in this world like Somalia, Sudan, and N. Korea that need to be taken care of because the environment is volatile and innocent people are dieing by the millions. Ever watch God of War? That is what is happening. I think Bush is an idiot, but we should have gone in because of what Saddam did the the Kurds and the killing and torturing of millions of people. That isn't an American ideal, that is an ideal of human nature, that trying to wipe out an entire ethnic group is wrong. Same as with slavery. Fact of the matter is that the standing policy is that we have to have a threat from another country to go to war, hence the WMD that Iraq supposedly had.

Question Khaoz. What has the U.N. done in the past decade to resolve the situations in N. Korea, Somalia, and Sudan; and what do you propose we do? Sit back and watch the show?

Truly, I don't care about money or wealth, or religion or ethnicity. I am going to be teaching social science education and cultural relativism. What I want in this world are people bound by a single goal and not blinded by ideals. I want other people to experience what it is like to be LIBERAL. LIBERALS/DEMOCRATS should have the mindset to liberate the people of the world, not be pussies and sit at home while innocents in this world are suffering. I don't like the Middle East. Why? Because of the laws that they force on their people. Religion and state law are tied into one, you CANNOT convert from Muslim to another religion because that is considered treason and you are executed. It happens sometimes. And it is all spread through propaganda. What DO I know? I know that if I want to believe that I came from space, and wanted to wear pink pajamas in public and stand outside my yard holding a sign that said I hate Jews, I could.

[quote=Fallen JeStEr]America gets bitched at if we don't help and bitched at if we do help. We tried staying out of WWII and got bitched at. Now we go in and still get bitched at. So why don't we just go in and turn the country into whatever we want. We are still the biggest civilization that has not tried to take over the world.
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yup, yup i second that, if we try and just sit still then we get bitched at by the people in our own country saying we are not doin enough to save world peace, but yet when we get involved we have enemies within our own borders that are born and bred inside our own borders staging sit-ins cuz we are there, and we shouldnt be there....I agree kinda with Scorp on this as the UN is nothing but a bunch of people that do nothing but talk...and get nothing accomplished, ex. how did Iran treat the deadlines that the UN imposed on them for this whole nuclear crap? yeah thats what i thought, oh yeah Iran didnt do jack..all they did was flip the UN off and tell them to go screw themselves. And I do believe they have nuclear capability, and it came from Russia and is still coming from Russia(Russia has warned other countries from taking aggressive action angainst Iran). WTF is that all about eh? I dont think China will get involved as somebody said earlier their economy is very fragile rt now, and it wouldnt take much to collapse it.

From the looks of it Congress might get their way and get all our troops out by the end of next year...if it happens I'm cool with it, but heaven forbid you won't be able to watch anything on tv cuz the evening news will be packed with everything thats goin on(new wars and inter political parties warring to get control) its already going on and will get increasingly worse when we leave...I dont think us staying there will stop it either though, I dont know the answer.

I would just like to see all the people that have nothing but complaints about how its being handled, just to see what their answer is..and to actually use a thought process when answering, not just say lets pull out...ALL the experts on both sides of the fence agree that just pulling out right now would be horrible in the final actions of it all. I dont really know what a year more will do either though.

I dont understand why Iran felt the need to grab the British sailors, it just dont make no sense, but they have been looking for a reason to drag the US into a war since we invaded Iraq.

Who knows, I don't know, if those that feel they know, I would like to see the SENSIBLE solutions to this...even Senator Clinton has dropped the whole I'll get our troops home and jumped onto the national healthcare(which i feel we need also). I dunno, the american people have spoke their minds when they voted the congress into office this past election and the congress looks to be moving into action, so we'll see.

Yeah, we'll just agree to dissagree. Your ways of thinking, not so much scorps, but you others, seem so ignorant to me. It's that kind of thinking that makes me ashamed to be American some days.

There are situations as I said where we need to be the world police, but we are going about it all wrong. There were countries that needed our attention much more than Iraq. Iraq was handled, they weren't creating WMDs, Saddam was no longer torturing or killing his own people, and Al Qaeda was proven to have NO relations with Iraq or Saddam, so how can you justify this war? How can you justify that we didn't invade and deal with N. Korea, but we were so quick to jump the gun on Iraq? At least N. Korea actually DOES pose a threat to someone.

To me it seems like many of you will just say or think anything to justify yourselves. Accept the facts, this country is fucked and getting more fucked by the minute, and accept its the rash decision making of a tyrant president that has put us in this situation.

The US is Damned if we do, Damned if we don't, but at least of we don't, we survive as a country without spending 600 billion dollars on a country that doesn't want us there. At least if we don't we don't take people who had decent lives and cut off their clean water, electricity, and well beings for over 2 years. NOTHING good has come of this war that makes up for all the bad. We're cutting down our military because we're broke. Many defense programs are being cut because we're broke. The future and safety of our country is much much worse because of this war, and yet you people defend it?

It just seems ignorant to me. Very very ignorant.

Just answer me this. If it's our country and the world you really care about, then how can you agree that reducing our defense, our military, our border patrol funding, our education funding, putting this country in massive debt, and the breading of terrorists, is a good thing? Just answer me that please.

Should we continue to "Act" without thinking of the consequences until our country is abolished?

I work for the military, my wife is Air Force, my 2 little brothers marines, my dad Air Force, 1 uncle Army, 1 uncle Air Force, step dad Air Force, my entire family is military here guys. Most of them have their jobs at risk because of this over spending, and others are putting their lives at risk for a war many of the troops don't even believe in. How is any of this a better situation than if we had let the UN continue with Iraq? Iraq was NO THREAT to ANYONE.

I just seriously don't get how any of you can be so blind.

"if by a "Liberal" they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people -- their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties -- someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a "Liberal," then I'm proud to say I'm a "Liberal.""

-John F. Kennedy

well back to the the original topic of Iran....further proof that Iran has stoked all this continuing violence in Iraq...since they could not draw the US into a blatent attack, they snag british sailors...and the latest news is they will trade them for KNOWN Iranian alqueda members...lol, well the US has said we are staying out of it lol...and Iran also says it will not provide the EIEA with any future knowledge of any nuclear actions...so the real question is what is the UN going to do about this?? What is Britain going to do about this?? the Us says its standing on the knowledge that a political solution can be reached. what else will Iran try to pull so it can drag the US into another conflict and further cause unrest in the middle east?? And I hear today that a chopper has been shot down this morning in Somalia...and that the unrest and violence there is the worst it has ever been..whats the UN doing there??? oh yeah they pulled out instead of being the international police force they are supposed to be LMAO.

That is something I can agree with. Why invade Iraq? It might be because the American people are already familiar with Iraq, the Kurds, and terrorism. It was easier to convince the ignorant people. It might also be because of the oil wealth. It was an easier path to take.

But I want to see this nation in Sudan, Somalia, and N.Korea more than Iraq. I want to know why there isn't something being done about this NOW, while people can still be saved. There are millions of refugees all through Africa from the hundreds of years of war that has plagued that continent; and the common theme is that there is NO U.S. intervention.

Which brings me to my next point. The world will still hate us. Look at Somalia. The movie Black Hawk Down illustrates what happens when there isn't any U.S. intervention. They absolutely hated the U.S., the information propaganda machine was definitely working at full force there, to the point that women and children were shooting at soldiers who they knew nothing about, only that they were American. America is the worlds favorite scapegoat. "Your hungry? Blame the Americans, they are so wealthy but they take your food away. Your kid is dieing from AIDS? Blame America, they bring AIDS to this country and have medicine to stop it but they don't. Your uncle die from being shot? Blame America, caused this war and they could easily stop the killing in this country."

There are two chilling images that will haunt me for the rest of my life. One is of a U.S. soldier being dragged through the streets, with his body completely desecrated. I am talking cigarette holes in his body, being spit and pissed on, with chunks torn out of his side. In the foreground there are kids smiling and dancing. Another picture is of two male decapitated heads. How do I know they were males? Their entire male organ was shoved in their mouth. Pictures like this open your eyes to the world.

lol, i not tryin to be difficult Khaoz but i dont understand...my ways of thinking make you ashamed to be an american?? lol, im seriously lost...and yeah i know how ya feel when you say we'll just agree to disagree...its that kinda compromise that needs to happen in todays world that doesn't thats causing all the world problems.

"By nature's law, man is at peace with man till some aggression is committed, which, by the same law, authorizes one to destroy another as his enemy." --Thomas Jefferson

I don't think it is. But if I am not mistaken, it is the democrats who are squeezing funding out of Iraq. Funding needs to be put into Iraq while the troops are taken out.

I don't believe that the consequences were ever anticipated in this situation. We "won the war" in like a week remember? The occupation was a disaster, the Iraqi citizens were at war with each other. The nation should have been SPLIT and two seperate forms of government should have been set up. To the people over there, religion and ethnicity are not tolerable.

Hans Blink oh no!!!!!!!!!!

The resources spent in Iraq will and are seriously damaging this country and the world is the problem. Because of the money being spent in Iraq, we CAN'T do anything about Iran or N. Korea like we should. We just don't have the money for it. Like I've been saying, we do need to be the world police in some situations, and N. Korea and Iran would be those situations, but because of our fuckup in Iraq, we may have blown it all. The problem is, many Americans still buy into Bush's lies, as is blatant from many of the posts in this thread alone.

My problem, which you guys don't seem to be grasping, is this; yes, the world will hate us either way, but why spend 600 BILLION $$$ to destroy and then rebuild Iraq, when we should have been dealing with other nations that are a true threat? If they're going to hate us either way on something like Iraq, why spend the lives and money? Why not just save the American lives, the Iraqi lives, and the Money, and stay out? Had we been smart and stayed out of Iraq, then we'd have a full military force and full resources to deal with Iran and N. Korea as needed.

Simply put:
How can you justify letting nuclear threats thrive so we can throw our money in the toilet?

I agreed with you on that.

yeah i agree with that also...but what is the solution to the problem at hand, we cant just drop the ball and run...the power vaccum would be horrendous*spellin is prolly off ima dumb hillbilly lol.....but like i said earlier, i dunno if we pull out now or in a year what the difference is. and i agree we need to be more directly involved with the other countries that are posing a bigger threat to the world right now, but we can't and it sucks.

and historically the Democrats have ALWAYS cut defense and military spending...and the same holds true now to this day.

There is no solution. We run the country will be torn apart. We stay soldiers will continue to be killed and the problems are still there. That is why Khaoz said the U.S. should have thought about the consequences. They fucked up, this entire war should have been fought differently. They thought the Iraqis would feel liberated and all set up a democratic government with no drawbacks. Fucking retarded flash in the pan hope. The reality is that not everybody disliked Saddam over there; and the real terrorists found a perfect opportunity to fight the U.S. All the good Iraqis are fleeing the country, staying and dieing, or being intimidated to leave by death threats and murders. It must be a real hell over there, and definitely worse than when Saddam was in control. Atleast with Hussein they could survive, they just had limited freedom and lived with the fear of death; but it was rare. They could be happy. But today, there is death around every corner. They can't practice their freedoms, because they will be shot like dogs in the street. With that kind of reality, it is no wonder people hate America. We have brought them nothing but trouble.

Its like somebody you just hit in the head with a crowbar to kill a mosquito, and then in Mr. Bean type fashion are fucking things up even worse. The U.S. is trying desperately to make things right, because they don't want that person to hold a grudge. We want them to think we were doing them a favor. To them, we are fucking idiots. They want us to just go away. Either way, they will hold a grudge. No matter what the U.S. does now there will always be a black eye there.

I Dont really want to read everyones reponse and get into a ahuge arguement,

But contrayer to popular belief, I do think we should possibly go deal with Iran, they are far more likely to do something stupui then NK however, i'm sure the entire ME would declare the fucking intafada and try and kill all of us. I swear to go ppl are fucking idoits, yes lets kill everyone cause they are in hell on earth,

Like seriously, who comesup with these things?

It's all a mess, and yes, the Dems do cut military historically, which is why I'm a registered republican. One would assume Job security in having a Republican president, but it's not the case. Bush has and is making more cuts in short ammounts of time, than any 2 presidents before him. I don't think you realize how many 40,000 is, lol. That's 1 in every 5 people I know in the Air Force. I look out my window right now and see 10 houses down my street and think, 2 of those 10 will be removed from the Air Force soon. Not to mention there has already been MANY cuts over the last years since all this spending got out of hand. It just saddens me overall :(

ITH and I were laughing about this though. In the briefing the other day, the colonel giving it said they would be saving billions by cutting all these Air Force. That reducing Officers to 9,000 AF wide would save them 2 billion a year. All I could think about was "if you want to save money, stop spending HUNDREDS of BILLIONS on pointless fucking wars". Heh. I just found it sad how easy they could talk about removing people from their jobs. Putting them out on the street. All to save money they could EASILY save in other places.

well in reality it wont even be saving money cuz in the long run how many if they cant find jobs will end up on government assistance...thats why i say todays government is just to, i dont know if its corrupt is the word im looking for, i think it is...all they(politicians) worry about is taking care of the industries and other stuff that bought the 1,500 bucks a plate dinners for them during the election campaigns instead of the real problems that face the country and the world i.e. Iran, NK, Somalia....the Iran thing kinda bothers me, its got the possibilities of blowing up into a pretty HUGE deal overnight i feel.

Thats funny. I am a registered Democrat and voted for Kerry:eek:

I didn't vote last round, but I would have voted Kerry as well. I helped vote Bush into office and very much regret it.

My plans are to continue being better than everybody else, so it doesn't matter how many positions there are, they still need me.

I have the leadership and direction the USAF needs plain and simple.

So, in other words you're failing at your life goals? :O OWNED!

Jk, well GL with that. I hope you do make it in so I can smack you around a bit! lol.