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Originally Posted by KhaoZ \FA\
Oh, and how do you support the troops but not the Mission? Easy. I know so many military who don't believe in the IRAQ war and think it's bullshit that we're even there, including my marine brother who's been to Iraq, but as they say "it's my job, I go where they send me". If they did not, there would be hell to pay going against orders and the mission, but they do it for their country, not the idiots in charge of it. So it is very easy for me to support people who do their duty and follow the orders of their leaders, even if they don't agree with what they are doing themselves.
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What KhaoZ is saying (it should be obvious)
BUSH = MISSION
TROOPS = PEOPLE
They (the troops) are doing what they are told by the administration (bush) and they have to wether they like it or not. It's what they signed up for. the MISSION is killing the PEOPLE.
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Originally Posted by Spin
If either side of the fence digs around they can find TONS of videos/articles to support their claims....I took from ITHs' post that instead of pointing the finger and accusing and wanting the death penalty..maybe we should ALL find a solution..
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I'm listening.
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Originally Posted by KhaoZ
There is no solution to the problem except to continue to try and rally people against Bush.
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let me rephrase: "There is no solution to the problem except to continue to try and rally people against the path Bush is leading us down." In general it's not *just* the man but the effect. but...
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Originally Posted by KhaoZ
good luck there, cause Bush has stated harshly many times that he will do what he wants no matter what the House, Senate, or American people say. "I am the decision maker, not you" were his words.
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...who is *actually* responsible here? It's not like he just was forced into it. Leadership must change, and quick. Thank god for the elections. (Disclaimer: Bush is not god)
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Originally Posted by http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/leader
1. a person or thing that leads.
2. a guiding or directing head, as of an army, movement, or political group.
3. Music.
a. a conductor or director, as of an orchestra, band, or chorus.
b. the player at the head of the first violins in an orchestra, the principal cornetist in a band, or the principal soprano in a chorus, to whom any incidental solos are usually assigned.
4. a featured article of trade, esp. one offered at a low price to attract customers. Compare loss leader.
5. Journalism.
a. leading article (def. 1).
b. Also called leading article. British. the principal editorial in a newspaper.
6. blank film or tape at the beginning of a length of film or magnetic tape, used for threading a motion-picture camera, tape recorder, etc. Compare trailer (def. 6).
7. Angling.
a. a length of nylon, silkworm gut, wire, or the like, to which the lure or hook is attached.
b. the net used to direct fish into a weir, pound, etc.
8. a pipe for conveying rain water downward, as from a roof; downspout.
9. a horse harnessed at the front of a team.
10. leaders, Printing. a row of dots or a short line to lead the eye across a space.
11. Nautical. lead1 (def. 40b).
12. a duct for conveying warm air from a hot-air furnace to a register or stack.
13. Mining. a thin vein of ore connected with a large vein.
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Originally Posted by http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/tyrant
1. a sovereign or other ruler who uses power oppressively or unjustly.
2. any person in a position of authority who exercises power oppressively or despotically.
3. a tyrannical or compulsory influence.
4. an absolute ruler, esp. one in ancient Greece or Sicily.
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Originally Posted by http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/responsible
1. answerable or accountable, as for something within one's power, control, or management (often fol. by to or for): He is responsible to the president for his decisions.
2. involving accountability or responsibility: a responsible position.
3. chargeable with being the author, cause, or occasion of something (usually fol. by for): Termites were responsible for the damage.
4. having a capacity for moral decisions and therefore accountable; capable of rational thought or action: The defendant is not responsible for his actions.
5. able to discharge obligations or pay debts.
6. reliable or dependable, as in meeting debts, conducting business dealings, etc.
7. (of a government, member of a government, government agency, or the like) answerable to or serving at the discretion of an elected legislature or the electorate.
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Bush is accountable, he *should* be hung for what he's done.
KhaoZ makes an inescapable argument of what is happening over in Iraq.
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Originally Posted by KhaoZ in xfire
[15:47] KhaoZ: imagine
[15:47] KhaoZ: a country comes to the US
[15:48] KhaoZ: takes it over cause they don't like bush, and decides they want to impliment THEIR form of government into the US
[15:48] KhaoZ: they then kill 10s of thousands of your friends or neighbors
[15:48] KhaoZ: they police your streets with tanks
[15:48] KhaoZ: interrogate you and your friends with violence
[15:48] KhaoZ: you have no electricity for years
[15:48] KhaoZ: no clean water
[15:48] KhaoZ: when you do fight back, they call you a terrorist
[15:48] KhaoZ: what would you do?
[15:49] })FA| blood: die fighting
[15:49] KhaoZ: you see a tank come down you street, you're 14, you see the US tank "accidentaly" kill your Dad
[15:49] KhaoZ: that would instantly create a terrorist
[15:49] KhaoZ: that kid would be hell bent against the US for life
[15:49] KhaoZ: i know I would
[15:50] KhaoZ: people of the US don't realize just how much damage we're doing to ourselves here
[15:50] KhaoZ: and people are all "i can't do anything, so i'll ignore it"
[15:50] KhaoZ: ignore it till when?
[15:50] KhaoZ: when a nuke is set off in the US from all of this? When your hair is falling out, skin blistering, every hole in your body leaking blood because your insides are cooking themselves?
[15:50] KhaoZ: is that when it's time to care?
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^a lot of my stuff was taken out for the sake of brevity.
Would you want to be that kid? Your money is paying for such to happen in Iraq right now. As will your kids and most likely your grandkids.
When Clinton was in office a lot of stuff got taken care of that wasn't being taken care of before. Things like education and debt payment were being worked out, so much for that!
We. Are. Fucked. so badly that it makes me want to check out Canada (i live in Michigan, it wouldn't be much different climate wise and stuff) and their legal systems, etc. Michigan holds 2 of the top 3 cities in the country for unemployment percentages last time i checked. #1) Philly, #2) Detroit, #3) Grand Rapids (MY CITY). My dad is working underpaid at a nursing home doing crazy extra hours to "keep up". We now owe a buncha money, our internet had to be downgraded, our cable is as basic as it comes, my truck barely starts but I can't afford a new one because there are hardly any jobs. People with degrees are working at pizza places. ....my ISP comes out of Kalamazoo which is 50 minutes away because of GR's shit econ!
What the hell do you think will happen to michigan if we keep spending all this money? We can't keep up with all the shit going on *BEFORE* the war.
Just because you have heat in your home, an internet connection and prolly 20 wireless connections in your neighborhood, 2+ cell phones and fancy gadgets... JUST BECAUSE you *THINK* it's all going to "work out in the end" *DOESN'T* mean it will.
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Originally Posted by friend from EFnet #linux
Our parents generation (bush's generation) thinks that everything they want is promised to them. It doesn't matter if it puts you in debt, it doesn't matter if it causes problems for others or disallows important spending to take place, just so long as they get what they want.
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Sometimes it takes big things to make you see the full picture. This war is that big thing. what do smokers do to quit after they *watch* someone die from cancer or get diagnosed themselves? they go cold turkey until they can manage to deal with the problem.
Stop with your "stop pointing fingers and fix it" shit. This isn't a broken toy that a sibling stepped on. these are real people in real cities with their own beliefs exactly similar to you and I. Good/evil? right/wrong? Juice and the squeeze... think about what your options are.
and that's all i have to say about that