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Originally Posted by N0de

They didn't ask me about that survey so I know they didn't ask everyone, that means the numbers are off. I'd be willing to bet +-30%. It also depends where you ask as to the outcome. Thats just the media skewing stuff as they always do.

Actually, it's an average of about 4 or 5 major polls that were all within a few percentage points and done over the entire country. +-30%? Try +-5% max.

Originally Posted by N0de

If you saw the areas I did and the republican support here you'd be thinking just as I am about why the state elected all democrats, by a nice margin at that. There was tons of republican support. Also if 100,000 people is all they could muster up for support in an area with millions of residents then that shows less than 10% support for that way of thinking.

So because you know a few Republican supporters, the whole country is that way? Wrong. And 100,000 shows only 10% support? Wrong as well. You factor in that MOST people don't go out and voice their opinions in protests, and 100,000 is a TON of people.

Originally Posted by N0de

I also realize theres lots of work to do here. However the democrats solution for debt: raise taxes. Sorry I don't bring home enough as is. I support someone that is out to give me more money than someone that is trying to take it away.

How about the solution of NOT THROWING AWAY OUR MONEY? Did we NEED to give $600,000,000,000 for a war and a country not of our own? Do we need to pass this bill Bush is trying to get through, that will give him $2,900,000,000,000 for the military so he can continue with Iraq and possibly move on Iran and Syria? Yes, that's 2.9 TRILLION DOLLARS!

When this is all over with, our kids will have no America to live in. We may as well start handing out kids over to other countries as slaves and have them work off our debts, because at this rate it will happen sooner or later anyway.

Originally Posted by N0de

Schools are a reflection of the area and the money in that area. My schools were great but then again I grew up in a wealthy area.

That explains why you know a lot of republicans. Bush is making the rich richer, and the poor poorer. He's creating a class divide in this nation like has never been seen before.

Originally Posted by N0de

I don't like helping my fellow american that refuses to get a job. Plain and simple. I work as does a lot of other people. Why give someone a free ride. They just built section 8 homes where houses usually sell for $1million+ and are selling them to people "in need" for $600,000. Full furnished houses. I paid for that. These people "in need" are driving escalades(sp?) and benzs. I'll be damned if they need the help. However if they did welfare for a set time and made it more like a loan then I'd support it. Right now its a joke. Thats not an opnion, you really should see some of the people "in need". They are better off than I am and I work 40+hrs a week plus side work just to pay bills.

Well that's just retarded on our government's part if true, helping people buy a $600,000 house, but your argument contradicts itself. No one who is jobless can afford a 600k house. Yet still, you have a problem with spending our money on American's who have been laid off because of the massive job loss in this country, but no problem with burning our money or giving it to other countries?

And I have seen these people "in need". Unlike you, I grew up in poor neighborhoods. I saw people struggle working multiple jobs to make ends meet, and those who did that, plus went to nightschool to try and get out of their situations, yet sometimes it wasn't enough. Not everyone can do that though. There are countless reasons for why people may be struggling. Or sometimes they needed extra help. I have no doubt there are many kinks in our system, and that there are those who don't need the help, getting more help than those who truely do need it. The system needs to be refined, not done away with. Maybe you should come down from your white tower and see what it's like in the common areas. Things aren't as glam as many of you think. And you may find it's not as easy as "get a job!" in many places and situations for many people.

Originally Posted by N0de

I know we are pissing everyone off. However as history has shown being nice doesn't do well either(think bin laden and sadam). Being a "bully" solves problems. Point and case: Japan. They fucked with us we rendered 2 of their cities useless. Now they are nice. I'd personally be a "bully" that no one messes with vs a nice guy that everyone messes with. Just my $.02.

Bully that no one messes with? Everyone is messing with us, or do you not watch the news?

Japan has reinstated their military recently. They are working on becoming a force to be considered again. I think they realize that if the US does go belly up as many are predicting, they have no defenses, since currently we're pretty much their protection. They need more insurance, which is understandable.

And you can not take a single situation and pretend it would be ok to treat the entire world that way. We don't live in those days anymore, where armies met eachother on the battlefield, where you knew who your foe was because he was oposite you on the field, and when you duked it out, the winner was the last man standing. It is not open battle with another nation that we need to be worried about, it's the enemy that wants nothing more than to take as many of us with them as they die. Hiding in shadows. How long till our "bully" tactics piss off so many people, that we get a serious backlash? Chemical, or Nuclear backlash? Something that would make 9/11 look like a papercut. How long till we've invaded to many countries and the world is tired of us? How long till we destroy ourselves by spreading ourselves to thin, and throwing all of our resources/money down the drain? Not long I fear. At least at this rate.

You hate on Clinton for considering what other nations had to say. For using the U.N.. For being part of a world democracy, where no man or nation is king over all, and everyone gets a say. You hate on that? I guess you would if you support a tyrant king like Bush. A man who wont even listen to others and debate the best tactics for the Iraq War. A man who says he will DO WHAT HE WANTS, and it is HIS CHOICE. Are those the words of a leader of a democratic society as we like to pretend the US is? No.

I guess if you support tyranny and a monarchy, then trying to be part of a world union democracy wouldn't be attractive at all. And being a Bully to the world would seem the better alternative.

Long live the king!