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Feb 07 19:11:49 * FA|lhurgoyf sets mode +m #FA
Feb 07 19:12:24 <FA|lhurgoyf> time to start
Feb 07 19:12:57 <fa|freeman> Alright guys
Feb 07 19:13:09 <fa|freeman> The current status of FA is as follows
Feb 07 19:13:16 <fa|freeman> We have 3 divisions remaining
Feb 07 19:13:37 <fa|freeman> Our CSS team is not performing up to par.
Feb 07 19:13:48 * ChanServ gives channel operator status to Gooshy
Feb 07 19:13:50 <fa|freeman> FA Vegas division is however doing great
Feb 07 19:14:02 <fa|freeman> and is perhaps the one success of the Gears division
Feb 07 19:14:14 <fa|freeman> Ice, hows AA doing?
Feb 07 19:14:15 * FA|lhurgoyf gives channel operator status to FA|IceBlade
Feb 07 19:14:24 <FA|IceBlade> ask Stoner
Feb 07 19:14:31 * FA|lhurgoyf gives voice to FA|Stoner
Feb 07 19:14:40 <FA|Stoner> AA's not exactly thriving, but we're still picking up members
Feb 07 19:15:17 <FA|IceBlade> Due to lack of funding we've had to kill the honor server
Feb 07 19:15:25 <FA|IceBlade> that's a negative on the recruiting side
Feb 07 19:15:38 <fa|freeman> That doesnt sound good
Feb 07 19:15:38 <FA|IceBlade> but we still have a private matching server
Feb 07 19:15:50 <FA|IceBlade> So we can compete.
Feb 07 19:15:58 <FA|IceBlade> but we're currently only competing in a private league
Feb 07 19:16:26 <fa|freeman> We are at our lowest point here guys
Feb 07 19:16:57 <fa|freeman> Things are going to need to pick up soon, or we're going to turn into a forum where old friends come to gather
Feb 07 19:17:30 <fa|freeman> R6 Vegas is our only division that lives up to the activity of divisions in this clan's prime
Feb 07 19:17:40 <fa|freeman> and its a console division...
Feb 07 19:17:48 <fa|freeman> Gears of War can be salvaged
Feb 07 19:17:51 <fa|freeman> easily I might add
Feb 07 19:17:57 <fa|freeman> It just needs a leader
Feb 07 19:18:13 <fa|freeman> as do most things around here it seems....
Feb 07 19:18:32 <Gooshy> are all the old members gone?
Feb 07 19:18:45 * fa|freeman gives voice to FA|element
Feb 07 19:18:48 <Gooshy> or.. dead?
Feb 07 19:18:53 <fa|freeman> mostly yes
Feb 07 19:18:55 <fa|freeman> Element
Feb 07 19:19:01 <fa|freeman> What was your idea about the WoW division?
Feb 07 19:19:10 <Gooshy> oh i love wow.
Feb 07 19:19:21 <FA|element> okay kiljadan is supposed to be FA's server right?
Feb 07 19:19:27 <FA|element> yet people play on diff servers
Feb 07 19:19:27 <Gooshy> playing it right now, actually
Feb 07 19:19:31 <FA|element> because of friends and family
Feb 07 19:19:34 <FA|element> or w/e
Feb 07 19:19:58 <FA|element> i think that each server should have a leader
Feb 07 19:20:13 <FA|element> so that way the div can grow bigger
Feb 07 19:20:14 <FA|element> and faster
Feb 07 19:20:26 <FA|element> and it semi solves the problem
Feb 07 19:20:36 <FA|element> for people who dont want to re roll
Feb 07 19:20:55 <fa|freeman> Would help if we had any kind of organization in a WoW division, pretty sure we've tried to get everyone to come together numerous times
Feb 07 19:20:57 <FA|element> and they can then start recruiting
Feb 07 19:21:11 <FA|element> and that obviously doesnt work
Feb 07 19:21:17 <FA|element> but we can get people to come together
Feb 07 19:21:25 <FA|element> but each guild on each server to recruit
Feb 07 19:21:34 <FA|element> then those people can then join on the server
Feb 07 19:21:39 <FA|element> err
Feb 07 19:21:48 <FA|element> more activity on the website
Feb 07 19:21:55 <FA|element> and server
Feb 07 19:22:02 <FA|IceBlade> I like Element's idea
Feb 07 19:22:15 <FA|IceBlade> Set it up as seperate squads within the wow division kind of thing
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Feb 07 19:24:15 <FA|element> if they are in a diff guild than theyr not in FA
Feb 07 19:24:21 <FA|element> if u want to revive the div
Feb 07 19:24:24 <FA|element> they gotta be in FA
Feb 07 19:25:00 <FA|element> each guild would bring more activity to the clan
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Feb 07 19:26:03 <FA|element> <@FA|IceBlade> Set it up as seperate squads within the wow division kind of thing
Feb 07 19:26:09 <FA|element> is pretty much what my idea is
Feb 07 19:26:31 * ChanServ gives voice to FA|blood
Feb 07 19:26:34 <fa|freeman> Do you think an FA WoW division is possible Gooshy?
Feb 07 19:27:09 <Gooshy> i think it'll be hard to pull veteran wow players away from their guild
Feb 07 19:27:21 <Gooshy> you also have to pay for transfers
Feb 07 19:27:29 <FA|IceBlade> how much
Feb 07 19:27:34 <Gooshy> i don't know exactly
Feb 07 19:27:37 <Gooshy> i'll guess $15
Feb 07 19:27:41 <FA|element> 25
Feb 07 19:27:42 <FA|element> i think
Feb 07 19:28:27 <FA|element> but then people will not want to leave their guild and what not
Feb 07 19:28:37 <fa|freeman> A simple topic asking our WoW players if they would be willing to dedicate themselves to an FA division would get things straight
Feb 07 19:28:37 <FA|lhurgoyf> bottom line is how many people could you get to start this element
Feb 07 19:28:37 <FA|element> but as to my idea it could just be a guild reform?
Feb 07 19:28:42 <FA|element> if not
Feb 07 19:28:53 <FA|element> a different guild and u can still be able to play with other guild members
Feb 07 19:29:43 <FA|IceBlade> okay
Feb 07 19:29:45 <FA|IceBlade> well that's an idea
Feb 07 19:29:51 <FA|IceBlade> this is about as far as the WoW thing is going to go here
Feb 07 19:29:54 <fa|freeman> yeah
Feb 07 19:30:00 <fa|freeman> We must move on
Feb 07 19:30:11 <fa|freeman> We'll make another topic about WoW after
Feb 07 19:30:15 <FA|IceBlade> I'd be interested in speaking with you Element about WoW.
Feb 07 19:30:19 * fa|freeman gives voice to FA|MegamanEXEv2
Feb 07 19:30:20 <FA|IceBlade> You as well, Gooshy.
Feb 07 19:30:24 <FA|MegamanEXEv2> Excellent.
Feb 07 19:30:25 <FA|element> okay, any time
Feb 07 19:30:27 <FA|IceBlade> Sometime in the week.
Feb 07 19:30:28 <fa|freeman> Your move Megaman
Feb 07 19:30:42 <FA|MegamanEXEv2> Now that the discussion over WoW is over, I have a proposal for a new division
Feb 07 19:30:59 <FA|MegamanEXEv2> The game isnt quite finished yet, it is still in Open Beta/Demo form
Feb 07 19:31:06 <FA|MegamanEXEv2> but it is Dystopia
Feb 07 19:31:10 <FA|MegamanEXEv2> an HL2 mod
Feb 07 19:31:25 <FA|MegamanEXEv2> it is already insanely popular in it's current state
Feb 07 19:31:32 <FA|MegamanEXEv2> and it is fun
Feb 07 19:31:41 <Gooshy> sure
Feb 07 19:31:41 <KhaoZ> Just read up some. When was the main FA server KillJaeden? It was always illidan. That's where me, Clockwork, Silhouette, and many other FA were and had the #2 clan on the entire server under the FA name. But it died eventually. It would be a good place to rebuild a new FA from.
Feb 07 19:31:42 <FA|MegamanEXEv2> it is the most fun I have had playing a game since CSS first came out
Feb 07 19:31:45 <Gooshy> to ice
Feb 07 19:32:03 <fa|freeman> Dystopia...
Feb 07 19:32:08 <Gooshy> I played dystopia
Feb 07 19:32:18 <Gooshy> it was interesting
Feb 07 19:32:27 <FA|MegamanEXEv2> It has dimensions to it's game play CS will never hope to have
Feb 07 19:32:29 <fa|freeman> http://www.dystopia-game.com/
Feb 07 19:32:31 <FA|MegamanEXEv2> like hacking
Feb 07 19:32:40 <fa|freeman> How many people play the game?
Feb 07 19:32:49 <FA|MegamanEXEv2> several thousand currently
Feb 07 19:33:03 <FA|MegamanEXEv2> when the game goes final, it will increase
Feb 07 19:33:30 <fa|freeman> Looks good, I'll have to download it myself
Feb 07 19:33:42 <FA|MegamanEXEv2> its Gears meets Hackers meets...idk...mad max
Feb 07 19:33:47 <fa|freeman> Could you pull together a following megaman?
Feb 07 19:33:59 <FA|MegamanEXEv2> Dont know, havent probed the clan for it yet
Feb 07 19:34:06 <FA|MegamanEXEv2> but i have friends outside the clan who play it
Feb 07 19:34:07 <fa|freeman> n0de seems to have played it
Feb 07 19:34:17 <FA|MegamanEXEv2> and they would join just for it
Feb 07 19:34:22 <fa|freeman> make a topic on it
Feb 07 19:34:34 <FA|lhurgoyf> then get them to join
Feb 07 19:34:43 <fa|freeman> preferably in General discussion, new division forum is too hidden
Feb 07 19:34:46 <FA|MegamanEXEv2> lhurg: they game isnt done yet
Feb 07 19:35:06 <FA|MegamanEXEv2> "<bbw`WilD1> ill help you run dystopia or be a warlord for it till it gains a big following"
Feb 07 19:35:10 <FA|MegamanEXEv2> im down with that
Feb 07 19:36:02 <fa|freeman> Looks good, any other current games that have potential for a division?
Feb 07 19:36:17 <FA|MegamanEXEv2> well, there is always DoD source
Feb 07 19:36:28 <fa|freeman> I can think of 3 future games that must have a division right now, actually 4.
Feb 07 19:36:29 <FA|MegamanEXEv2> as well as a bunch of freegames, like FEAR Combat
Feb 07 19:36:33 <fa|freeman> But that is the future =/
Feb 07 19:36:36 <FA|element> !down
Feb 07 19:36:36 * ChanServ removes voice from FA|element
Feb 07 19:36:51 <FA|MegamanEXEv2> anyway, i should give up the mic
Feb 07 19:36:54 <FA|MegamanEXEv2> !down
Feb 07 19:36:54 * ChanServ removes voice from FA|MegamanEXEv2
Feb 07 19:37:51 <fa|freeman> Indeed, as for future divisions, Quake Wars, Age of Conan, UT3, and a made for CAL game come to mind
Feb 07 19:37:59 <fa|freeman> something to look out for
Feb 07 19:38:19 <fa|freeman> we are a gaming clan here, and we desperately need new divisions
Feb 07 19:38:20 <FA|Stoner> I know of a few AA members that have started up a small Warrock clan
Feb 07 19:38:21 <fa|freeman> and new blood
Feb 07 19:38:41 <FA|Stoner> Im sure they could be talked into porting it to FA after the final release comes out
Feb 07 19:38:42 * fa|freeman gives voice to FA|blood
Feb 07 19:38:49 <FA|Stoner> on friday
Feb 07 19:39:00 <FA|blood> i thought warrock was final :/
Feb 07 19:39:03 <fa|freeman> With our loss of the BF2 division, that would be great
Feb 07 19:39:34 <FA|blood> alright, so Starsiege games have always had a cult following.
Feb 07 19:40:05 <FA|blood> people continue to play Starsiege since it's release in 1999
Feb 07 19:40:18 <FA|Stoner> !down
Feb 07 19:40:18 * ChanServ removes voice from FA|Stoner
Feb 07 19:40:19 <FA|blood> some even hosted their own master servers when the officals got taken down
Feb 07 19:40:41 <FA|blood> Though i took my sig off for the SS2845 promo stuff, i still intend to recruit for that game also
Feb 07 19:40:50 <FA|blood> www.starsiege2845.com is the site
Feb 07 19:41:16 <fa|freeman> game is completely free
Feb 07 19:41:20 <FA|blood> ah, correct
Feb 07 19:41:23 <FA|blood> forgot to mention that
Feb 07 19:41:25 <fa|freeman> as is FEAR combat
Feb 07 19:41:25 * bZ has quit (Ping timeout)
Feb 07 19:41:33 <FA|blood> the game's multiplayer has always been 100% free.
Feb 07 19:41:59 <FA|blood> they want to make single player free also. if they cant it says they will charge a "nominal fee" prolly ~$5-10
Feb 07 19:42:22 <FA|blood> so if you feel like supporting that...
Feb 07 19:42:42 <FA|blood> http://www.fallenangelsx.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1003
Feb 07 19:42:44 <FA|blood> there ya go
Feb 07 19:42:49 <FA|blood> !down
Feb 07 19:42:50 * ChanServ removes voice from FA|blood
Feb 07 19:43:03 <fa|freeman> sounds good
Feb 07 19:43:12 <fa|freeman> plenty of potential for these divisions
Feb 07 19:43:15 * FA|IceBlade is now known as FA|Ice`Work
Feb 07 19:43:18 <fa|freeman> they just need leadership
Feb 07 19:43:19 <FA|Ice`Work> l8r
Feb 07 19:43:23 <fa|freeman> See ya later Ice
Feb 07 19:43:27 <fa|freeman> thanks for being around
Feb 07 19:43:37 <FA|Ice`Work> Anytime
Feb 07 19:44:25 <fa|freeman> Company of Heroes, good RTS game, a couple of FA play it
Feb 07 19:44:33 <fa|freeman> cal supports 1v1 and 2v2
Feb 07 19:45:04 <fa|freeman> not sure if it would be division worthy
Feb 07 19:45:09 <fa|freeman> however a cal team would be fun
Feb 07 19:45:43 <fa|freeman> a couple of us are running back into UT2k4 as well
Feb 07 19:45:57 <fa|freeman> a lot to mess around with here....
Feb 07 19:46:23 * ChanServ gives voice to FA|blood
Feb 07 19:46:26 <FA|blood> something else to note
Feb 07 19:46:37 <FA|blood> most of our divs' squads are the active points
Feb 07 19:46:43 <FA|blood> AA has their CAL/AAO w/e team
Feb 07 19:46:47 <FA|blood> CSS has 2 CAL teams
Feb 07 19:46:55 <FA|blood> uh R6:V is just insane :D
Feb 07 19:47:10 <FA|blood> but yeah, any div that's around is around because of a few dedicated teams pretty much
Feb 07 19:47:34 <FA|blood> recruitment is a big thing. when i see people suggesting new divs i often think "who is gonna fill them?"
Feb 07 19:47:42 <fa|freeman> Exactly
Feb 07 19:47:51 <fa|freeman> need to bring back the recruiter positions
Feb 07 19:48:02 <FA|blood> they are called "divisions" because they are seperate games with seperate teams and seperate leaders ,etc
Feb 07 19:48:12 <FA|blood> sorry, go ahead
Feb 07 19:48:23 <fa|freeman> I often wonder what the hell happened to activity
Feb 07 19:48:39 <FA|blood> "uphill both ways" and all that
Feb 07 19:48:40 <fa|freeman> Lack of recruiting had a big part of it
Feb 07 19:48:54 <fa|freeman> when divisions became too....organized
Feb 07 19:48:58 <fa|freeman> we stopped recruiting
Feb 07 19:49:02 <fa|freeman> because we did not need to
Feb 07 19:49:20 <fa|freeman> When FA|RvS was on top of all the ladders, we stopped recruiting
Feb 07 19:49:27 <fa|freeman> we had our competitive teams set
Feb 07 19:49:49 <FA|blood> and now...
Feb 07 19:49:58 <fa|freeman> and then Max retires and everything goes down to hell with that once glorious division
Feb 07 19:50:25 <fa|freeman> as we become more competetive, we also stop bringing in new faces
Feb 07 19:50:35 <fa|freeman> faces which could help in the future
Feb 07 19:50:55 <FA|blood> MSG me if you've recruited someone in the last month
Feb 07 19:50:56 <fa|freeman> we did the same with CSS for a while there
Feb 07 19:51:03 <FA|blood> go ahead
Feb 07 19:51:11 <fa|freeman> until we had blood get a second cal team together
Feb 07 19:51:26 <FA|blood> yeah
Feb 07 19:51:29 <FA|blood> i made a post about this
Feb 07 19:51:40 <FA|blood> i ran through the members list on the forums and looked at referral counts
Feb 07 19:51:49 <FA|blood> i saw no more than 0-3 for most people
Feb 07 19:51:53 <FA|blood> what happened!
Feb 07 19:52:07 <FA|blood> it used to be you'd log in to the site and see 3 names you never knew
Feb 07 19:52:21 <FA|blood> you people got friends i'm sure
Feb 07 19:52:25 <FA|blood> RL and online
Feb 07 19:52:34 <FA|blood> point em to the site, give em news
Feb 07 19:52:37 <FA|blood> ask them to play
Feb 07 19:52:41 <FA|blood> it's not too hard :)
Feb 07 19:52:57 <FA|blood> i dont mean to sound condecending there
Feb 07 19:53:08 <FA|blood> but recruitment is a big problem right now
Feb 07 19:53:15 <FA|blood> we're losing whole divs!
Feb 07 19:54:03 <FA|blood> so i think that's OUR (me included) fault
Feb 07 19:54:18 <FA|blood> there is also the issue of the admins and lack of... <insert almost everything here>
Feb 07 19:54:23 <FA|blood> attention to the clan, if you will
Feb 07 19:54:49 <FA|blood> like free said, it's basically become where we just post about the old times and current news *other* than FA
Feb 07 19:55:04 <FA|blood> anything to add?
Feb 07 19:55:18 <fa|freeman> You summed it up nicely
Feb 07 19:55:32 <FA|blood> voice wild please
Feb 07 19:55:37 <FA|blood> he has something to say re: recruiting
Feb 07 19:55:42 * FA|lhurgoyf gives voice to bbw`WilD1
Feb 07 19:55:46 <fa|freeman> Hold one
Feb 07 19:55:52 <bbw`WilD1> the problem with recruiting isnt us trying to get people
Feb 07 19:55:53 <FA|blood> 111111111111111111111111111111111111111
Feb 07 19:56:05 <bbw`WilD1> the problem is the recruits staying in, every other clan im in
Feb 07 19:56:09 <bbw`WilD1> has a website, and a forums
Feb 07 19:56:15 <bbw`WilD1> no one cares about logging in, profiles
Feb 07 19:56:27 <bbw`WilD1> when a new recruit sees all that shit he is turned away
Feb 07 19:56:30 <Gooshy> well.. we just have forums
Feb 07 19:56:31 <bbw`WilD1> to join something easier
Feb 07 19:56:44 <Gooshy> no one hardly knows about the old website
Feb 07 19:56:50 <Gooshy> and it isn't linked anywhere on the forums
Feb 07 19:56:52 <FA|blood> www.fallen-angels.net
Feb 07 19:56:54 <FA|blood> ^old site
Feb 07 19:57:08 <bbw`WilD1> a recruit shouldnt have to log on to a website to get all the news, it should be on msn or his email the next morning
Feb 07 19:57:22 <Gooshy> i think it was in the intent of khaoz and lhurg to integrate the site into the forums
Feb 07 19:58:15 <FA|blood> that would be lhurg's area
Feb 07 19:58:26 <bbw`WilD1> just a few small changes would help a lot
Feb 07 19:59:00 <FA|blood> so wild, got a question
Feb 07 19:59:07 <FA|blood> which admin is going to send out the emails?
Feb 07 19:59:08 <FA|blood> :/
Feb 07 19:59:21 <bbw`WilD1> the warlords of the division are responsible for that
Feb 07 19:59:41 <FA|blood> this is true, that would work
Feb 07 20:00:04 <FA|lhurgoyf> what changes do you suggest
Feb 07 20:00:48 <bbw`WilD1> this is our page here
Feb 07 20:00:57 <bbw`WilD1> the main page is for teh clan itself
Feb 07 20:01:00 <bbw`WilD1> http://www.thedarkserver.com/
Feb 07 20:01:10 <bbw`WilD1> the forums is where all the divisions split up
Feb 07 20:01:25 <bbw`WilD1> so everyone can see the main news on one main page
Feb 07 20:01:42 <FA|blood> so you're basically saying "centralize the news"
Feb 07 20:01:47 <bbw`WilD1> yes
Feb 07 20:01:58 <bbw`WilD1> the news, the events, even clan matches all posted on the front poage
Feb 07 20:02:25 <bbw`WilD1> it boosts clan spirit
Feb 07 20:02:36 <bbw`WilD1> like hey! the other division just won a big cal match
Feb 07 20:02:37 <bbw`WilD1> congrats
Feb 07 20:02:50 <FA|blood> what do you guys (opped, voiced, non-voiced, the whole channel) feel about a news portal or some kinda information posting located at www.fallenangelsx.com
Feb 07 20:03:00 <FA|blood> until the site can be put up
Feb 07 20:03:02 <FA|lhurgoyf> well then we are on the same page as that was in our original design for the new site, except instead of just a portal for the forums you would continue to have division pages with forum data and news aggragated on each page.
Feb 07 20:03:26 <FA|blood> lhurg, ^ perhaps something simple and intermediate could be worked out
Feb 07 20:03:28 <fa|freeman> what is the current status of the new site lhurg?
Feb 07 20:03:30 <FA|blood> i hate the time to build something easy
Feb 07 20:03:34 <FA|blood> have*
Feb 07 20:03:42 <bbw`WilD1> i have servers and hosting too if you need it
Feb 07 20:03:48 <FA|blood> we have that
Feb 07 20:04:44 <FA|lhurgoyf> the site is still awaiting a final design that would have all the stuff on it
Feb 07 20:04:50 <FA|lhurgoyf> and I have lost my psd of it
Feb 07 20:05:22 <FA|blood> "we can rebuild him. make him faster, stronger, better"
Feb 07 20:05:26 <FA|blood> we have the technology
Feb 07 20:05:27 <fa|freeman> lol
Feb 07 20:05:28 <KhaoZ> the site needs someone who knows how to cut out a layout and make it EXACTLY how it was intended, with no stray pixels making things look retarded
Feb 07 20:05:42 <bbw`WilD1> im a programmer too if you ever need help
Feb 07 20:05:53 <FA|blood> bbw`WilD1; what's your xfire?
Feb 07 20:06:02 <bbw`WilD1> no idea i deleted the mother fucker
Feb 07 20:06:03 <FA|blood> me, lhurg and whoever else can add you
Feb 07 20:06:09 <FA|blood> get it :P
Feb 07 20:06:09 <bbw`WilD1> use msn or aim
Feb 07 20:06:14 <FA|lhurgoyf> the outstanding task is to take khaoz's design and write the html for it
Feb 07 20:06:17 <fa|freeman> Wild1 seems to be multitalented
Feb 07 20:06:26 <FA|lhurgoyf> as with work I don't have the time or the drive to do it as well
Feb 07 20:06:40 <KhaoZ> pretty much
Feb 07 20:06:42 <FA|blood> and you shouldn't have to do everything yourself, lhurg
Feb 07 20:06:50 <bbw`WilD1> i cant play any games till they run a cable down to my new house, im on satelite so i can help with a lot admin work and programming
Feb 07 20:07:09 <FA|blood> freeman is busy with CS:S and things. ice has been in and out but busy with AA
Feb 07 20:07:20 <FA|blood> you've been doing most of the forum admin'ing and stuffs
Feb 07 20:07:31 <fa|freeman> I cant do anything with web site design myself, but I am sure there are plenty of people around that can do it
Feb 07 20:07:31 <FA|blood> where have the other admins been?
Feb 07 20:07:41 <bbw`WilD1> i also have AA clan that might want to join the AA division too, im jsut waiting for everyones feedback in it
Feb 07 20:07:42 <fa|freeman> even professional help
Feb 07 20:07:55 <FA|blood> bbw`WilD1; that's good news :)
Feb 07 20:08:14 <fa|freeman> I recommend talking to Ice and Stoner Wild1
Feb 07 20:08:28 <bbw`WilD1> also if you want to put our name down as a squad... i can use bbw recruit new guys into fa
Feb 07 20:09:00 <bbw`WilD1> we have many cs and css servers also if the division needs it
Feb 07 20:09:01 -KhaoZ/#FA- gimme a sec
Feb 07 20:09:02 <FA|blood> post about it after so everyone can see the idea
Feb 07 20:09:13 <fa|freeman> what is bbw wild1?
Feb 07 20:09:27 <KhaoZ> www.fallenangelsx.com/images/site.jpg
Feb 07 20:09:29 <KhaoZ> www.fallenangelsx.com/images/site.jpg
Feb 07 20:09:34 <KhaoZ> that is where we were at months ago
Feb 07 20:09:40 <KhaoZ> and haven't moved since then, heh
Feb 07 20:09:41 <bbw`WilD1> my cs squad, really good and fun to play with, we are part of the dark clan, but they are also in trouble...
Feb 07 20:09:52 <KhaoZ> another project I had designed up that didn't go past that is
Feb 07 20:10:04 <KhaoZ> www.fallenangelsx.com/images/fanews.gif
Feb 07 20:10:17 <FA|blood> doh
Feb 07 20:10:22 <KhaoZ> www.fallenangelsx.com/images/fatimes.gif
Feb 07 20:10:29 <bbw`WilD1> that looks good the first one
Feb 07 20:10:57 <FA|blood> so you guys, there are ideas going around
Feb 07 20:10:59 <bbw`WilD1> you should use that news as the main page into fa, loaded before the forums or the main page
Feb 07 20:11:03 <FA|blood> but nobody is really stepping up to help
Feb 07 20:11:07 <FA|blood> including me
Feb 07 20:11:19 <KhaoZ> that news was meant to be a bi-monthly newsletter
Feb 07 20:11:21 <FA|blood> if we could get some kinda team together we could roll out a site very quickly i'd think
Feb 07 20:11:36 <KhaoZ> we don't need a team
Feb 07 20:11:39 <KhaoZ> we need 1 person and 1 job done
Feb 07 20:11:41 <fa|freeman> The after meeting topic that will go into the General discussion will cover all of this
Feb 07 20:11:46 <KhaoZ> the rest lhurg and i can do easy and quickly
Feb 07 20:11:59 <KhaoZ> we need someone to take that first image, and turn it into HTML without any pixel shifting or loss of quality
Feb 07 20:12:09 <KhaoZ> most people who cut a layout out do a real sloppy job of it
Feb 07 20:12:16 <KhaoZ> and unless it's done right, i'd rather no one touch my design
Feb 07 20:12:18 <bbw`WilD1> did u try a flash version of it yet
Feb 07 20:12:31 <KhaoZ> that would be far to annoying to update
Feb 07 20:13:10 <FA|blood> alright so anyone who feels they can help make a layout/template for the site
Feb 07 20:13:13 <FA|blood> post in the forums
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Feb 07 20:13:23 <FA|blood> free will make "offical" posts after
Feb 07 20:13:29 <FA|blood> right ,free? haha
Feb 07 20:13:38 <fa|freeman> yeah, the topic will list what we need
Feb 07 20:13:53 <FA|blood> next order of business
Feb 07 20:13:55 <fa|freeman> and a summary of every topic we have discussed
Feb 07 20:14:05 <FA|blood> yeah i'll get that together
Feb 07 20:14:09 <fa|freeman> I'm going to give the stage to Cobra
Feb 07 20:14:14 <FA|blood> !down
Feb 07 20:14:14 <fa|freeman> He has a bit to talk about
Feb 07 20:14:15 * ChanServ removes voice from FA|blood
Feb 07 20:14:25 <fa|freeman> I believe this is the "Admin" section of this chat
Feb 07 20:14:31 <bbw`WilD1> also id like to volunteer as the leader to any or all of the new divisions to run them till they get off hte ground
Feb 07 20:14:33 * fa|freeman gives channel operator status to FA|CoBra
Feb 07 20:14:56 <fa|freeman> We will find good use for you Wild1
Feb 07 20:14:58 <bbw`WilD1> !downw
Feb 07 20:15:03 <bbw`WilD1> !down
Feb 07 20:15:03 * ChanServ removes voice from bbw`WilD1
Feb 07 20:15:19 <FA|CoBra> My first question is this.
Feb 07 20:15:27 <FA|CoBra> Why did it take a meeting, for all of you to say something?
Feb 07 20:15:42 <FA|CoBra> Why couldn't this have been said before
Feb 07 20:15:47 <FA|CoBra> without it being in a chat, full of people
Feb 07 20:15:57 <FA|CoBra> We have forums, PM systems, and every damn chat program availble to reach anyone
Feb 07 20:16:03 <FA|CoBra> but yet, you need a meeting to say something
Feb 07 20:16:22 <FA|CoBra> Some of the things I'm about to say, I've been saying for a long while now
Feb 07 20:16:52 <FA|CoBra> <bbw`WilD1> i never helped out before because all the admins were supposed to take care of it and i requested to help them before and never heard any replies
Feb 07 20:17:12 <FA|CoBra> Now, Im sure many others have also requested to help, and thus denied.
Feb 07 20:17:16 <KhaoZ> heh, for me at least
Feb 07 20:17:20 <KhaoZ> i feel like nothing said today is new
Feb 07 20:17:23 <FA|CoBra> It's simply put as this
Feb 07 20:17:26 <KhaoZ> this meeting is kind of dissapointing to be honest
Feb 07 20:17:33 <KhaoZ> everything said here is things I and others have said before
Feb 07 20:17:35 <KhaoZ> many many times
Feb 07 20:17:38 <KhaoZ> yet no one did anything then
Feb 07 20:17:42 <KhaoZ> and i fear no one will do anything now
Feb 07 20:17:50 <KhaoZ> just being realistic here
Feb 07 20:17:52 <FA|CoBra> then perhaps you should let me finish speaking.
Feb 07 20:18:01 <KhaoZ> you asked a question, lol
Feb 07 20:18:05 <KhaoZ> i'm just answering you
Feb 07 20:18:11 <FA|CoBra> I know where you stand.
Feb 07 20:18:12 <fa|freeman> If no one does anything now, then this hole will only get deeper, simple as that
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Feb 07 20:18:40 <fa|freeman> Keep going Cobra
Feb 07 20:18:41 <FA|CoBra> Everyone is here for a reason, obviously. That reason is to see FA succeed, even after years of being here, we still care.
Feb 07 20:18:59 <FA|CoBra> But it really shouldn't of taken a meeting, for this to happen.
Feb 07 20:19:06 <FA|CoBra> However, this is the first step.
Feb 07 20:19:25 <FA|CoBra> Now, that message from wild, says many things.
Feb 07 20:19:45 <FA|CoBra> Why things were never done, is it perhaps because admins liked things the way they were?
Feb 07 20:19:52 <FA|CoBra> Look where its gotten us, fighting, at a last resort..
Feb 07 20:20:11 <FA|CoBra> My old friend Max, as im sure you all know him
Feb 07 20:20:20 <FA|CoBra> Ran divisions, that were very successful.
Feb 07 20:20:43 <FA|CoBra> The one I speak of most is RvS, as that used to be my passion, he lead it great, and had everything perfectly planned, to the dot.
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Feb 07 20:21:17 <FA|CoBra> He knew exactly what he wanted, and how he wanted it done. This made other people believe in that, it takes a leader, to lead.
Feb 07 20:21:31 <FA|CoBra> Where have you all gone to? (The admins)
Feb 07 20:21:39 <FA|CoBra> I'm sure you're here, becuase of your past passions
Feb 07 20:21:43 <FA|CoBra> but what does that do for us now?
Feb 07 20:22:03 <FA|CoBra> There are some who still do things
Feb 07 20:22:20 <FA|CoBra> Lhurg and Khaoz, we all thank you for your work.
Feb 07 20:22:25 <FA|CoBra> And we know where you guys stand.
Feb 07 20:22:44 <FA|CoBra> Ice, I can't say anything for you, you're not here, but you've always helped people, even when you weren't an admin, and continue to do so.
Feb 07 20:23:26 <FA|CoBra> Freeman, always around, indulged into anything he does, rather it be running a team for CAL, to being a leader of FA, he's here. That's what we need, people to be here, not people who take up room, and think they deserve it still for something done in the past. What are you doing for us now?
Feb 07 20:23:48 * FA|AD-Hell-Kite (~cwlod@64.122.182.22) has joined #FA
Feb 07 20:23:52 <FA|CoBra> This clan has been here before I got here, and at its prime, there weren't problems like this
Feb 07 20:23:58 <FA|CoBra> Why? Because people actually gave a shit.
Feb 07 20:24:03 * FA|CoBra gives channel operator status to FA|AD-Hell-Kite
Feb 07 20:24:08 <FA|AD-Hell-Kite> hooray
Feb 07 20:24:35 <FA|CoBra> When Max was made an admin, and far before this I talked to him, about damn near everything.
Feb 07 20:24:45 <FA|CoBra> Up to the point the day he resigned as an admin, and from FA.
Feb 07 20:25:03 <FA|CoBra> Now obviously, he had the right stuff, as he did many great things for this clan.
Feb 07 20:25:11 <FA|CoBra> I asked him however, what made him resign.
Feb 07 20:25:25 <FA|CoBra> On top of having another child, he was disappointed in FA.
Feb 07 20:25:38 <KhaoZ> he tried to do what I tried to do he tells me, but he got shot down by admins who wanted nothing to change
Feb 07 20:25:44 <KhaoZ> who didn't want to hear new ideas
Feb 07 20:25:46 <KhaoZ> so he left
Feb 07 20:25:50 <FA|CoBra> He had ideas, not just for the divisions he was in
Feb 07 20:25:56 <FA|CoBra> but for FA as a whole
Feb 07 20:26:00 <FA|CoBra> Christ, let me get to that
Feb 07 20:26:12 <KhaoZ> hey, i'm out man
Feb 07 20:26:18 <FA|CoBra> KhaoZ stay
Feb 07 20:26:24 <FA|CoBra> you still have more to say, but let me get this out, please.
Feb 07 20:26:38 <FA|AD-Hell-Kite> i dont know whats been said up to this point
Feb 07 20:26:44 <FA|AD-Hell-Kite> but I expressed it in the ad forum
Feb 07 20:26:52 <FA|AD-Hell-Kite> if changes are to happen we need more then 1 or 2 ppl to be promoted
Feb 07 20:26:53 <fa|freeman> A topic will be posted Kite
Feb 07 20:26:57 <FA|AD-Hell-Kite> we prettymuch need a taskforce
Feb 07 20:27:15 <FA|AD-Hell-Kite> 4-6 ppl that we pretty much hand the reigns and let them run with the bulls
Feb 07 20:27:15 <FA|CoBra> When he tried to make changes, as khaoz said he was shot down.
Feb 07 20:27:23 <FA|CoBra> I have my own theories, but I ask you why.
Feb 07 20:27:51 <FA|CoBra> My Theory is this, you thought there was no reason for change, that things were ok. You blinded yourselves, if you haven't noticed, FA has been steadily losing interest, for quite some time.
Feb 07 20:28:04 <FA|CoBra> As they say, Lead by Example.
Feb 07 20:28:12 <FA|CoBra> Well
Feb 07 20:28:21 <FA|CoBra> that example has pushed us back quite far, wouldn't you agree?
Feb 07 20:28:28 <FA|CoBra> Sure things can be done, to bring us out of this hole
Feb 07 20:28:35 <FA|CoBra> but these things should have been done
Feb 07 20:28:38 <FA|CoBra> A long time ago.
Feb 07 20:28:50 <FA|CoBra> I've put my heart and soul into this clan
Feb 07 20:28:55 <FA|CoBra> since the very moment I joined it
Feb 07 20:29:05 <FA|CoBra> I have offered help, numerous times, with empty replies
Feb 07 20:29:42 <FA|CoBra> I have put more time here than I should have. But I did it for this clan, because I care.
Feb 07 20:30:04 * ChanServ gives voice to FA|blood
Feb 07 20:30:06 <FA|blood> cobra
Feb 07 20:30:07 <FA|CoBra> I hate to see us at a low like this, but I shall say that it could have been avoided, had you let it.
Feb 07 20:30:13 <FA|blood> you've given 7 fold what you've needed to
Feb 07 20:30:19 <FA|blood> how much money? how much time?
Feb 07 20:30:31 <FA|blood> you ran a CS div, why?
Feb 07 20:30:34 <FA|blood> to fill in cracks
Feb 07 20:30:39 <FA|blood> because you saw the need
Feb 07 20:30:43 <FA|blood> to keep things together
Feb 07 20:30:57 <FA|CoBra> as I have always done
Feb 07 20:31:05 <FA|CoBra> from the day I was made a leader of the RS division.
Feb 07 20:31:07 <FA|blood> i can only wonder what would happen if you, lhurg, free, khaoz havn't supported like you have
Feb 07 20:31:09 <FA|CoBra> and then the JO division
Feb 07 20:31:11 <FA|blood> and Gooshy :) sorry goosh
Feb 07 20:31:12 <FA|CoBra> and then the RVS division
Feb 07 20:31:15 <FA|CoBra> and now the CS division.
Feb 07 20:31:30 <FA|blood> so basically i think cobra is asking
Feb 07 20:31:33 <FA|CoBra> Obviously I've done something right, I've bought countless servers, and paid for them on my own.
Feb 07 20:31:41 <FA|blood> why are the warlords outperforming the admins here?
Feb 07 20:31:45 <FA|CoBra> I bought a clan Vent, for all to use
Feb 07 20:32:00 <FA|AD-Hell-Kite> blood ur question to me has a simple answer
Feb 07 20:32:03 <FA|CoBra> This has been my dream
Feb 07 20:32:09 <FA|CoBra> to help this clan out in every which way I can
Feb 07 20:32:11 <FA|AD-Hell-Kite> FA grew to the point where a governing body was absolute
Feb 07 20:32:19 <FA|blood> indeed
Feb 07 20:32:19 <FA|CoBra> I fear, however, that I don't have much more to offer.
Feb 07 20:32:28 <FA|AD-Hell-Kite> and the divisions pretyt much had absolute control of their day to day affairs
Feb 07 20:32:39 <FA|AD-Hell-Kite> it seemed the me the onlytime any AD stepped in
Feb 07 20:32:44 <FA|AD-Hell-Kite> was when they personally didnt like something
Feb 07 20:32:49 <FA|AD-Hell-Kite> no offense to the existing ad's meant
Feb 07 20:32:51 <FA|blood> hell, i've been digging through the old site for months
Feb 07 20:33:01 <FA|blood> we used to swing leaders
Feb 07 20:33:14 <FA|blood> i see demotions to FL noting the time served
Feb 07 20:33:21 <FA|blood> how long have the current admins been here?
Feb 07 20:33:30 <FA|CoBra> I understand everyone here has a life, and has needs of their own
Feb 07 20:33:31 <FA|AD-Hell-Kite> i mean ill be the first to admit that I myself havent done much of all for over 2 years, mostly due to the reasons nothing got done.
Feb 07 20:33:37 <FA|AD-Hell-Kite> but i checked the forums
Feb 07 20:33:38 <FA|CoBra> But I do also, that doesn't mean you can't take the time to help.
Feb 07 20:33:50 <FA|AD-Hell-Kite> and it seemed the onlytime anything happend was when one AD didnt like something on a personal lvl
Feb 07 20:33:51 <FA|blood> if an admin is so bogged down with life
Feb 07 20:33:53 <FA|blood> they shouldn't be admin
Feb 07 20:33:54 <FA|CoBra> I've helped many divisions
Feb 07 20:34:01 <FA|CoBra> keep their servers, when they needed help
Feb 07 20:34:03 <FA|blood> allow someone else in who can focus
Feb 07 20:34:05 <FA|CoBra> I've joined other divisions
Feb 07 20:34:10 <FA|CoBra> to spark interest, to get things running again
Feb 07 20:34:14 <FA|AD-Hell-Kite> their was probably a disillusioned factor as well
Feb 07 20:34:17 <FA|CoBra> to get ACTIVE.
Feb 07 20:34:25 <FA|CoBra> which is exactly what you are not.
Feb 07 20:34:30 <FA|AD-Hell-Kite> i dont think any of us until recently could ever agree on anything
Feb 07 20:34:30 <FA|AD-Hell-Kite> lol
Feb 07 20:34:50 <FA|blood> hell, to sit like a bump on a log? :/
Feb 07 20:35:05 <FA|blood> we need a swing again in admins
Feb 07 20:35:06 <FA|CoBra> There is more to say, but I'll leave off with this, why hold back those who want to help, when you yourselves are not helping?
Feb 07 20:35:10 <FA|blood> i'm sorry, you guys aint doing shit
Feb 07 20:35:27 <FA|blood> it's been very obvious who has been keeping things going and who hasn't
Feb 07 20:35:47 <FA|CoBra> I'm done, someone else can have the floor. I think I've said what needed to be said, and that many people would agree with me that the reason people leave, is because Leaders lead by example, and thats what you are NOT doing.
Feb 07 20:35:50 <FA|CoBra> !down
Feb 07 20:35:50 * ChanServ removes channel operator status from FA|CoBra
Feb 07 20:36:02 <FA|blood> i hear that cobra
Feb 07 20:36:18 <FA|blood> i'm not sure if i wanna name names or not here, but i was digging through the current forums
Feb 07 20:36:26 <FA|blood> i searched for all public posts by each admin
Feb 07 20:36:34 <FA|blood> some were really not saying much
Feb 07 20:37:04 <FA|blood> i'd like to hear why
Feb 07 20:37:09 <FA|blood> "life"?
Feb 07 20:37:20 <FA|blood> kids?
Feb 07 20:37:23 <FA|blood> job?
Feb 07 20:37:30 <FA|AD-Hell-Kite> "useless of post"
Feb 07 20:37:30 <FA|AD-Hell-Kite> lol
Feb 07 20:37:31 <FA|blood> llhurg has a busy busy job, still is active
Feb 07 20:38:08 <FA|blood> cobra would get home after 10 hour days and play CS:S for an hour
Feb 07 20:38:12 <FA|blood> practically pass out on the KB
Feb 07 20:38:20 <FA|blood> where are the admins?
Feb 07 20:38:38 <FA|blood> !down
Feb 07 20:38:38 * ChanServ removes voice from FA|blood
Feb 07 20:39:10 <FA|lhurgoyf> observing
Feb 07 20:39:37 <FA|lhurgoyf> I believe ibme had something to say and free is going to grab it and post it for us
Feb 07 20:39:43 <fa|freeman> Indeed
Feb 07 20:39:53 <KhaoZ> the stuff about the forums?
Feb 07 20:39:56 <fa|freeman> watch as i get kick/banned for spam
Feb 07 20:39:58 <KhaoZ> and the site?
Feb 07 20:40:12 <fa|freeman> You know.....the more i think about it the more irritated I get.....so I think I'll just stop thinking about it for now. After this post anyway.
Feb 07 20:40:12 <KhaoZ> no one can ban you but me, lol
Feb 07 20:40:22 * fa|freeman looks at Chanserv
Feb 07 20:40:32 <KhaoZ> lol, i don't know if we should talk about that freeman
Feb 07 20:40:40 <KhaoZ> cause there's only 2 choices with that
Feb 07 20:40:43 <fa|freeman> Ibme wanted his point said
Feb 07 20:40:46 <KhaoZ> a) we finish the new site
Feb 07 20:40:48 <KhaoZ> or
Feb 07 20:40:52 <KhaoZ> b) we get rid of the new forums
Feb 07 20:40:56 <KhaoZ> aight, go ahead then
Feb 07 20:41:11 <fa|freeman> So here ya go.....
Feb 07 20:41:11 <fa|freeman> The new forums are great and are much nicer than the old ones. They were a nice step forward for FA. But since the new forums we have people who don't even pay attention to the old site anymore. In essence it's split the clan somewhat.
Feb 07 20:41:24 <fa|freeman> The old site provided structure that the forums can not. Without structure you have certain failure. Just to show what I mean....the last few divisions that were "created" I was told "we" didn't want a division created on the main site for it. Didn't need it. Where are they now......
Feb 07 20:41:37 <fa|freeman> I don't really want to even get started on the inactivity thing. To me inactivity is when someone is asked to do something and they don't, or they just aint around to even ask. Posting on a forum just to "prove" your alive or yell "Look at me everyone" don't constitute activity in my book. It's what someone does when asked to do it and the availability of them to be reached to even be asked. I see posts directed at specific in
Feb 07 20:42:05 <fa|freeman> I could go on and on about this but I'm done for now....as I stated in another post....I'll read the minutes from the meeting and we'll go forward from there.
Feb 07 20:42:08 <fa|freeman> -Ibme
Feb 07 20:43:53 * ChanServ gives voice to FA|blood
Feb 07 20:43:57 <FA|blood> so we're supposed to...
Feb 07 20:43:59 <FA|blood> say..
Feb 07 20:44:04 <FA|blood> "yeah, you're right ibme"
Feb 07 20:44:09 <KhaoZ> lol
Feb 07 20:44:11 <KhaoZ> he is right
Feb 07 20:44:11 <FA|blood> nice leadership
Feb 07 20:44:15 <KhaoZ> but the solutions are thin
Feb 07 20:44:20 <FA|blood> that's my point
Feb 07 20:44:27 <KhaoZ> as I was saying, we have only 2 choices in that problem
Feb 07 20:44:30 <FA|blood> so
Feb 07 20:44:32 <FA|blood> get people
Feb 07 20:44:37 <FA|blood> to make the html
Feb 07 20:44:39 <fa|freeman> The site must be finished
Feb 07 20:44:40 <KhaoZ> lhurg and I are talking about the site
Feb 07 20:44:41 <FA|blood> dont post ultimatums
Feb 07 20:44:43 <FA|blood> get shit done
Feb 07 20:44:59 <FA|blood> that's why people dont bitch about you, KhaoZ
Feb 07 20:45:03 <FA|blood> or lhurg, or free
Feb 07 20:45:06 <FA|blood> you *DO* things
Feb 07 20:45:18 <KhaoZ> who posted an ultimatum? i didn't mean it to be that, i meant it to show that there are only 2 ways to go with that
Feb 07 20:45:31 <FA|blood> no, ibme
Feb 07 20:45:43 <FA|blood> "this is killing us!" is basically what he said
Feb 07 20:45:57 <FA|blood> so...
Feb 07 20:46:04 <FA|blood> contact poeple in your network
Feb 07 20:46:05 * fa|freeman gives channel operator status to FA|CoBra
Feb 07 20:46:10 <FA|blood> get someone who can do HTML templates
Feb 07 20:46:13 <FA|blood> *DO* something
Feb 07 20:46:14 * bZ (~t34daprof@user-387guvp.cable.mindspring.com) has joined #FA
Feb 07 20:46:15 <FA|blood> dont just post it
Feb 07 20:46:16 <FA|CoBra> Ok, I have something to say to that real quick.
Feb 07 20:46:19 <FA|blood> sure
Feb 07 20:46:20 <KhaoZ> my BIGGEST problem with doing things for FA right now
Feb 07 20:46:26 <KhaoZ> and Lhurg probably feels this a little as well
Feb 07 20:46:42 <KhaoZ> is that we/I feel like all this work is for nothing if there is no clan to use the things we build
Feb 07 20:46:57 <KhaoZ> what made us feel this way, is the thing's we have built already that are integrated into the forums
Feb 07 20:46:59 <FA|blood> enter mass recruiting
Feb 07 20:47:04 <KhaoZ> file system, profiles, etc
Feb 07 20:47:08 <KhaoZ> profiles for example
Feb 07 20:47:15 <KhaoZ> no one made one after we asked people to
Feb 07 20:47:15 <FA|CoBra> Ibme, you are correct in saying that structure is everything, and that things will fail without it. But in the same sense, you yourself have failed. You can't deny that, as I stated before it took something of this nature - a meeting - for you to say something.
Feb 07 20:47:27 <KhaoZ> it took like a week before people started using things we had spent so much time building
Feb 07 20:47:42 * fa|freeman gives voice to FA|MegamanEXEv2
Feb 07 20:47:47 <KhaoZ> so it got to the point that I though... why spent another 80 hours finishing up the website for a few people to use it?
Feb 07 20:47:52 <FA|MegamanEXEv2> the profile was a waste of time
Feb 07 20:47:53 <KhaoZ> is it worth the time and effort?
Feb 07 20:47:57 <FA|CoBra> Another thing, Khaoz, we know that you do things, and you also lhurg, and the admins who care.
Feb 07 20:48:02 <FA|MegamanEXEv2> we dont need profiles
Feb 07 20:48:02 <FA|CoBra> But what stopped you others?
Feb 07 20:48:09 <FA|MegamanEXEv2> we need member organization
Feb 07 20:48:13 <FA|blood> ok
Feb 07 20:48:14 <FA|MegamanEXEv2> its a gamble
Feb 07 20:48:16 <FA|MegamanEXEv2> get over it
Feb 07 20:48:16 <FA|blood> i got something to propose
Feb 07 20:48:18 <FA|blood> please hear it
Feb 07 20:48:23 <KhaoZ> well, with that attitude mega
Feb 07 20:48:25 <FA|MegamanEXEv2> we need something to present to potential new members
Feb 07 20:48:26 <KhaoZ> i guess we wont do anything
Feb 07 20:48:29 <FA|blood> you know those Custom Title fields?
Feb 07 20:48:29 <KhaoZ> and not waste our time
Feb 07 20:48:30 <KhaoZ> how is that?
Feb 07 20:48:33 <FA|blood> het
Feb 07 20:48:35 <FA|blood> hey*
Feb 07 20:48:38 <KhaoZ> if you want to be a dick about it, how about we just do nothing? lol
Feb 07 20:48:39 <FA|blood> let me speak a sec
Feb 07 20:48:41 <FA|MegamanEXEv2> khaoz, shut your trap, i have the floor
Feb 07 20:48:42 <KhaoZ> that's fine with me
Feb 07 20:48:42 <fa|freeman> Constructive criticism please
Feb 07 20:48:55 <FA|MegamanEXEv2> i have had it with the administration's lack of action
Feb 07 20:48:57 >#fa< play nice or stop typing
Feb 07 20:49:07 <KhaoZ> !kb FA|MegamanEXEv2 no, you have the door
Feb 07 20:49:07 * ChanServ removes voice from FA|MegamanEXEv2
Feb 07 20:49:07 * ChanServ sets ban on *!*@adsl-69-211-136-13.dsl.wotnoh.ameritech.net
Feb 07 20:49:07 * ChanServ has kicked FA|MegamanEXEv2 from #FA ((KhaoZ) no, you have the door)
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Feb 07 20:49:14 <KhaoZ> fucking idiot
Feb 07 20:49:14 <FA|blood> KhaoZ; ....
Feb 07 20:49:18 <fa|freeman> sigh...
Feb 07 20:49:26 <FA|blood> you know the custom user titles
Feb 07 20:49:32 <FA|blood> why dont we use them to show ranks
Feb 07 20:49:45 <FA|blood> something intrum to the site
Feb 07 20:49:46 <KhaoZ> there's a post about that in the AD forums
Feb 07 20:49:50 <FA|blood> AND?
Feb 07 20:49:53 <FA|blood> CONGRATS
Feb 07 20:49:55 <FA|blood> SOMEONE POSTED
Feb 07 20:49:56 <FA|blood> YAY
Feb 07 20:50:01 <KhaoZ> it's something lhurg and I looked into, and it's not real easy to do exactly
Feb 07 20:50:05 <KhaoZ> and keep permissions how they should be
Feb 07 20:50:06 <FA|blood> sure it is
Feb 07 20:50:13 <FA|blood> admin edit the title
Feb 07 20:50:21 <FA|blood> "CS:WL|BF2:HC"
Feb 07 20:50:22 <FA|blood> done
Feb 07 20:50:26 <FA|blood> HoC*
Feb 07 20:50:27 <KhaoZ> that's the problem, editing every single individual person?
Feb 07 20:50:36 <FA|blood> give me admin, call me in an hour
Feb 07 20:50:39 <FA|blood> remove it when i'm done
Feb 07 20:50:44 <FA|CoBra> for the admins not present, scorp, cyb, wolf, why are they even considered to still be leaders? The past? And what they've done to earn that right? No matter what they did, that doesn't constitute that going amiss is even remotely the right thing to do. This clan needs everyone it can have, and you abandon them. I hope at somepoint you read this and understand that I am not coming down on you as individuals, but as a whole, the governi
Feb 07 20:50:45 <FA|blood> *DO* something
Feb 07 20:50:51 <FA|CoBra> body of this clan is nothing, without the people who are here to govern it.
Feb 07 20:51:08 <FA|blood> as i said, if you can't handle the work, dont be an admin
Feb 07 20:51:13 <KhaoZ> oh, and then there's the issue that we could never decide on set rank titles anyway
Feb 07 20:51:16 <FA|blood> im' not saying "do it all yoursellf" tho
Feb 07 20:51:22 <FA|CoBra> Things need to change, things have needed to change, nows the time to start. This could very well mean the survival of this clan.
Feb 07 20:51:22 <KhaoZ> since everyone agreed the old rank titles and rank system needed to be done with
Feb 07 20:51:25 <FA|blood> KhaoZ; we got em already
Feb 07 20:51:31 <KhaoZ> ?
Feb 07 20:51:37 <FA|blood> WL
Feb 07 20:51:39 <FA|blood> HoC
Feb 07 20:51:40 <FA|blood> HiC
Feb 07 20:51:42 <FA|blood> Merc
Feb 07 20:51:43 <FA|blood> FA
Feb 07 20:51:44 <KhaoZ> lol
Feb 07 20:51:45 <FA|blood> Purg
Feb 07 20:51:45 <FA|blood> AL
Feb 07 20:51:51 <FA|blood> why am i telling you this?
Feb 07 20:51:54 <FA|CoBra> It's up to you to do something about it, we players and humble followers can only do so much, it is you who needs to understand that without you here, we will fail. You are our leaders, now start leading.
Feb 07 20:51:59 <KhaoZ> we've done away with those months ago
Feb 07 20:52:00 <FA|blood> CoA
Feb 07 20:52:03 <FA|blood> Preator
Feb 07 20:52:06 <FA|blood> OL
Feb 07 20:52:17 <FA|blood> KhaoZ; who asked the clan?
Feb 07 20:52:17 <KhaoZ> [06:52pm] [bbw`WilD1] we only need 3 ranks, squad leaders, warlords and memebers in each division...
Feb 07 20:52:18 <KhaoZ> [06:52pm] [bbw`WilD1] then admins, so 4 ranks is all fa really needs
Feb 07 20:52:24 <KhaoZ> that's how most people in the AD feel too wild1
Feb 07 20:52:33 <FA|blood> excuse me
Feb 07 20:52:40 <FA|blood> i jizzed myself when i got Merc in CS 1.5
Feb 07 20:52:42 <FA|blood> ok?
Feb 07 20:53:19 <fa|freeman> The ranks gave something for the ordinary members to work towards
Feb 07 20:53:22 <FA|blood> KhaoZ; unban megaman
Feb 07 20:53:23 <fa|freeman> and thus put in more activity
Feb 07 20:53:42 <FA|blood> word
Feb 07 20:53:42 <KhaoZ> i agree freeman, I was one who thought we should keep more ranks than that, but not too many, and not such lame names for them either
Feb 07 20:53:46 <KhaoZ> !unbanall
Feb 07 20:53:46 * ChanServ removes ban on *!*@adsl-69-211-136-13.dsl.wotnoh.ameritech.net
Feb 07 20:53:51 * FA|MegamanEXEv2 (WinNT@adsl-69-211-136-13.dsl.wotnoh.ameritech.net) has joined #FA
Feb 07 20:54:02 <FA|blood> KhaoZ, on behalf of mega
Feb 07 20:54:03 <FA|blood> that was dick
Feb 07 20:54:08 <FA|blood> coulda devoiced him
Feb 07 20:54:13 <FA|blood> moving on
Feb 07 20:54:15 <KhaoZ> lol, i'll do it again if he acts like a fucking idiot
Feb 07 20:54:17 <KhaoZ> but yes
Feb 07 20:54:18 <KhaoZ> moving on
Feb 07 20:54:44 <FA|blood> so when was this publicly decided? :/
Feb 07 20:54:49 <FA|blood> that's a major thing
Feb 07 20:54:58 <fa|freeman> indeed
Feb 07 20:55:02 <KhaoZ> actually, i think I did make a poll about it, but then deleted it
Feb 07 20:55:17 <FA|blood> so, it wasn't publicly decided
Feb 07 20:55:26 <FA|blood> ok then
Feb 07 20:55:26 <fa|freeman> A simple poll in the GD would decide the ranks
Feb 07 20:55:29 <KhaoZ> cause we've foudn that when we post anything that has choices, we get dick fucks like mega posting all over them, turning them into spam fests of hate, and nothing gets done
Feb 07 20:55:33 <KhaoZ> so i thought better of it and deleted it
Feb 07 20:55:38 <FA|blood> fa|freeman; he have and have had ranks
Feb 07 20:55:49 <fa|freeman> then simply ban the spammer
Feb 07 20:56:01 <KhaoZ> you know what we get then?
Feb 07 20:56:04 <FA|blood> they are.... OL Preator COA WL HiC HoC Merc FA AL
Feb 07 20:56:15 <FA|blood> that is how FA has gone for years and years
Feb 07 20:56:15 <KhaoZ> half the people agreeing he shoulda been banned, the other half saying stupid shit like
Feb 07 20:56:15 <KhaoZ> [06:54pm] [FA|blood] KhaoZ, on behalf of mega
Feb 07 20:56:15 <KhaoZ> [06:54pm] [FA|blood] that was dick
Feb 07 20:56:19 <KhaoZ> that's what we get
Feb 07 20:56:31 <fa|freeman> lol
Feb 07 20:56:44 <FA|blood> wiw
Feb 07 20:56:45 <FA|blood> wow*
Feb 07 20:57:07 <FA|blood> care to talk to *everyone* khoa
Feb 07 20:57:08 <FA|blood> z
Feb 07 20:57:10 <FA|blood> not yourself
Feb 07 20:57:15 <KhaoZ> i was talking to freeman
Feb 07 20:57:19 <FA|blood> PM him
Feb 07 20:57:35 <KhaoZ> well, his suggestion was for everyone to hear
Feb 07 20:57:35 <fa|freeman> are we discussing something here?
Feb 07 20:57:35 <FA|blood> free
Feb 07 20:57:39 <KhaoZ> and my reply was for everyone to hear
Feb 07 20:57:40 <FA|blood> can you mass voice people please
Feb 07 20:57:50 <FA|blood> i'll give you a cookie haha
Feb 07 20:57:56 <fa|freeman> I believe I will, the most important topics have been covered
Feb 07 20:57:58 <FA|CoBra> !voiceall
Feb 07 20:58:00 <FA|CoBra> :P
Feb 07 20:58:02 <fa|freeman> now I have to write that topic
Feb 07 20:58:03 * fa|freeman gives voice to s3xServ02 s3xServ01 s3xBro s3x
Feb 07 20:58:03 * fa|freeman gives voice to Rock05 N0de FA|Stoner FA|MegamanEXEv2
Feb 07 20:58:03 * fa|freeman gives voice to FA|Kevin1327 FA|element DarkPirate Beyonder
Feb 07 20:58:03 * fa|freeman gives voice to bbw`WilD1
Feb 07 20:58:08 <FA|blood> !secki cobra
Feb 07 20:58:11 <FA|MegamanEXEv2> thats better
Feb 07 20:58:17 <FA|blood> ChanServ: Cobra is already secki
Feb 07 20:58:20 <FA|MegamanEXEv2> item #1: khaoz, here is your problem
Feb 07 20:58:25 <FA|MegamanEXEv2> you think YOU are in charge
Feb 07 20:58:29 <KhaoZ> lol
Feb 07 20:58:31 <KhaoZ> here we go again
Feb 07 20:58:32 <FA|MegamanEXEv2> you arent, the members of the clan are
Feb 07 20:58:49 <FA|MegamanEXEv2> once again, shut the fuck up, i am talking on behalf of our clan
Feb 07 20:58:54 <FA|blood> lawl
Feb 07 20:58:55 <KhaoZ> !kb [06:54pm] [FA|blood] KhaoZ, on behalf of mega
Feb 07 20:58:55 <KhaoZ> [06:54pm] [FA|blood] that was dick
Feb 07 20:58:56 <FA|blood> pat
Feb 07 20:59:00 <FA|blood> that was across the line
Feb 07 20:59:01 <FA|blood> dude
Feb 07 20:59:03 <KhaoZ> !kb FA|MegamanEXEv2
Feb 07 20:59:03 * ChanServ removes voice from FA|MegamanEXEv2
Feb 07 20:59:03 * ChanServ sets ban on *!*@adsl-69-211-136-13.dsl.wotnoh.ameritech.net
Feb 07 20:59:03 * ChanServ has kicked FA|MegamanEXEv2 from #FA ((KhaoZ) Bye.)
Feb 07 20:59:06 <FA|blood> :/
Feb 07 20:59:09 <KhaoZ> fucking idiot
Feb 07 20:59:10 <N0de> Mega, i really wouldn't take this rout. It doesn't work... nvm
Feb 07 20:59:22 <KhaoZ> it doesn't, yet he never learns
Feb 07 20:59:37 <KhaoZ> lhurg and I are discussing a schedule
Feb 07 20:59:40 <FA|blood> for the books
Feb 07 20:59:42 <KhaoZ> we're going to finish the site
Feb 07 20:59:42 <FA|blood> in PM: <FA|blood> you deserved that one
Feb 07 20:59:56 <FA|blood> KhaoZ; let me know if i can help
Feb 07 21:00:01 <KhaoZ> and if I hear anyone bitch in a counterproductive manor about things we're working hard on
Feb 07 21:00:04 <KhaoZ> you will be put outside the clan
Feb 07 21:00:12 <FA|element> oh my :o
Feb 07 21:00:12 <FA|blood> lol?
Feb 07 21:00:12 <fa|freeman> sounds good to me
Feb 07 21:00:14 <KhaoZ> and i will put anyone out with you who continues to be an idiot
Feb 07 21:00:26 <FA|blood> all hail khaoz
Feb 07 21:00:29 <FA|blood> the new leader of fa
Feb 07 21:00:29 <FA|blood> :/
Feb 07 21:00:30 <KhaoZ> we'll get this shit done guys
Feb 07 21:00:33 <fa|freeman> although dont rule out the constructive criticism
Feb 07 21:00:43 <KhaoZ> just need to work together
Feb 07 21:00:44 <KhaoZ> yeah, no shit
Feb 07 21:00:52 <N0de> i can't really help because Im not very good at anything design and am just learning code but my offer will stand with the banner. Most visitors are myspace users and it might get you some traffic. Or it may not.
Feb 07 21:00:53 <KhaoZ> freeman if anyone knows that I love constructive criticism
Feb 07 21:00:59 <KhaoZ> i ask him for it all the time on all of my projects
Feb 07 21:01:12 <KhaoZ> just don't do like mega does and say "that's fucking stupid you dipshits. Why do it that way?"
Feb 07 21:01:20 <KhaoZ> cause THAT, will only get negativity in return
Feb 07 21:01:54 <FA|blood> DarkPirate; thoughts?
Feb 07 21:01:57 <KhaoZ> here's a few things i wanted to say i guess
Feb 07 21:01:58 <FA|blood> Beyonder; anything?
Feb 07 21:02:05 >#fa< open mic
Feb 07 21:02:12 <N0de> anything marketing type wise Im decent at. I have some ideas to try and help FA. I've had them for a couple months but am just getting time to act on them. but I gotta go find my HL2 disks.
Feb 07 21:02:35 <KhaoZ> What i'd like to see more of, is people posting outside their own division forums
Feb 07 21:02:49 <KhaoZ> there are people of this clan who judge it's activity based on the chatter in the GD
Feb 07 21:02:57 <KhaoZ> and when there is none, they decide it's dead, and they leave
Feb 07 21:03:04 <FA|CoBra> i'm pretty sure i post everywhere
Feb 07 21:03:04 <KhaoZ> i know we all have things we like to talk about
Feb 07 21:03:04 <FA|CoBra> :\
Feb 07 21:03:12 <KhaoZ> and in the past we all talked a lot and got along
Feb 07 21:03:18 <FA|blood> i posted in AA and they said they thought i was in it lol
Feb 07 21:03:25 <FA|blood> now i am
Feb 07 21:03:26 <KhaoZ> but on the old FA forums for a while there, there was many people who would bash any post for no reason
Feb 07 21:03:27 <FA|blood> but hey
Feb 07 21:03:31 <KhaoZ> replying with nothing but hate in their posts
Feb 07 21:03:53 <KhaoZ> why do I post so much about the 360? why do I post so much about different games? cause it's topic starters
Feb 07 21:04:12 <KhaoZ> why do I post more funny shit than anyone when i'm not really one to get into funny shit? heh. Cause i just try to entice some of you to come chat a bit
Feb 07 21:04:12 <FA|blood> why do i post about ice being gay?
Feb 07 21:04:14 <bbw`WilD1> i like asking people about tips and strategies in forums too
Feb 07 21:04:17 <FA|blood> because it's probably ture
Feb 07 21:04:17 <FA|blood> lol
Feb 07 21:04:21 <FA|blood> j/k ice <3
Feb 07 21:04:29 <KhaoZ> the more we chat, the more it feels like a community, like a family. the closer we become.
Feb 07 21:04:51 <KhaoZ> I will remove the 10 character limit on the forums
Feb 07 21:05:07 <KhaoZ> we'll make it like 4 chars
Feb 07 21:05:26 <fa|freeman> sounds good
Feb 07 21:05:27 <KhaoZ> cause if all you got to say is "lol, funny" then at least it's something, and shows people are visiting the forums and care to read toics
Feb 07 21:05:32 <fa|freeman> This is why I miss the old irc days
Feb 07 21:05:35 * FA|lhurgoyf is now known as lhurg`24
Feb 07 21:05:40 <fa|freeman> when we had this place filled up pretty well
Feb 07 21:05:49 <fa|freeman> and our division channels actually had people in them
Feb 07 21:06:00 <KhaoZ> yeah, we even made it easy by putting a chat button at the top of the forums
Feb 07 21:06:04 <KhaoZ> and i've never seen anyone use it
Feb 07 21:06:07 <fa|freeman> I remember when #FA-RvS had like 15 members idling
Feb 07 21:06:10 <fa|freeman> always chatting
Feb 07 21:06:14 <fa|freeman> never a dull moment
Feb 07 21:06:20 <KhaoZ> yeah
Feb 07 21:06:27 <KhaoZ> FA.CS was crazy active way back
Feb 07 21:06:28 <fa|freeman> I still have logs from years and years ago
Feb 07 21:06:30 <N0de> that was a nice time
Feb 07 21:06:39 * FA|Kevin1327 has quit (Quit)
Feb 07 21:06:39 <bbw`WilD1> when i was cs high council i flooded the channel with over 60 people that i knew and played with us
Feb 07 21:06:48 <FA|CoBra> I remember when this clan mattered to people.
Feb 07 21:06:49 <N0de> i remember that. I have SS of active times a from way back when
Feb 07 21:06:52 <FA|blood> [21:00] DarkPirate: but everyone needs a luvable asshole type :P
Feb 07 21:06:52 <FA|blood> [21:03] DarkPirate: as long as I dont hear that damn pirate song again blood, i'll think about posting more :)
Feb 07 21:06:53 <FA|blood> rofl
Feb 07 21:06:59 <KhaoZ> communication is huge
Feb 07 21:07:08 <KhaoZ> it's probably one big reason our RS:V division is doing so well
Feb 07 21:07:18 <KhaoZ> those guys are in party chat hanging out on xbox live all the time
Feb 07 21:07:26 <KhaoZ> i've hung with em, they're pretty cool guys
Feb 07 21:07:47 <KhaoZ> just hanging to chat is good for the community. All of you vent guys know this though
Feb 07 21:07:52 <KhaoZ> no need for me to say it
Feb 07 21:08:03 <bbw`WilD1> i think warlords should take it upon themselve to email their divisions bi daily just with news and what not
Feb 07 21:08:11 <KhaoZ> yeah
Feb 07 21:08:25 <KhaoZ> we have a mass PM system on the forums, I wish we could make it so WLs could mass PM their own divisions
Feb 07 21:08:28 <KhaoZ> we probably can
Feb 07 21:08:31 <KhaoZ> have to look into that
Feb 07 21:08:41 <lhurg`24> mass pm system sucks
Feb 07 21:08:48 <KhaoZ> how come?
Feb 07 21:08:55 <KhaoZ> and are you watching monday's episode?
Feb 07 21:08:55 <bbw`WilD1> just send emails, its more personal
Feb 07 21:08:57 <lhurg`24> if you have noticed that any pm that comes from it doesnt register
Feb 07 21:09:03 <lhurg`24> already seen it
Feb 07 21:09:05 <lhurg`24> watching s4
Feb 07 21:09:07 <KhaoZ> ah
Feb 07 21:09:18 <KhaoZ> what do you mean doesn't register?
Feb 07 21:09:30 <FA|CoBra> well im out guys, ill be on later tonight
Feb 07 21:09:30 <lhurg`24> pms from that system dont show up as new or even a pm in your message box = no popup when you visit the forums
Feb 07 21:09:34 * FA|CoBra is now known as FA|CoBra`out
Feb 07 21:09:39 <lhurg`24> not even 1 unread message listing
Feb 07 21:09:55 <FA|blood> does it appear in the inbox?
Feb 07 21:10:03 <lhurg`24> yes but you would never know to look
Feb 07 21:10:09 <FA|Stoner> im out too guys, later.
Feb 07 21:10:14 <lhurg`24> unless you got a pm from someone else
Feb 07 21:10:16 * FA|Stoner (~aa_stoner@c-68-60-93-43.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) has left #FA
Feb 07 21:10:31 <bbw`WilD1> cya
Feb 07 21:10:36 <lhurg`24> so yea, I will find a replacement someday
Feb 07 21:10:49 <lhurg`24> for now I will stick to email spam as it is just as affective
Feb 07 21:10:54 <lhurg`24> anyhow food and tv
Feb 07 21:11:25 <bbw`WilD1> i got the emails for this, thats the only reason i came, cuz it was more personal, and when i checked the page i realized that fa was really down
Feb 07 21:11:45 <N0de> me too
Feb 07 21:11:56 <N0de> i saw the email and was like "huh? whats going on"
Feb 07 21:12:31 <bbw`WilD1> before people would personally contact me and ask for help or whatever, i havent heard that from fa in a year or two
Feb 07 21:12:32 <bbw`WilD1> till now
Feb 07 21:12:50 <FA|blood> lawl
Feb 07 21:12:56 <FA|blood> i remember the ICQ system
Feb 07 21:12:57 <FA|blood> on the site
Feb 07 21:13:12 <bbw`WilD1> yes haha i still memorize my icq
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