Gun control.

[N0de]

Originally Posted by RavenBeef

I'm glad the blame didn't get thrown back at me, since I didn't even state my own opinion about this.

I posted this on the IUE5 forums, and got loads of stuff for it.
The truth is, I do agree with it. (It being gun freedom)

If everyone and their mother owned a gun, there would be less murders. Think about it. Only about 5% of americans are evil to this point. That means 95% of us would use guns rightly. And if everyone knew that someone else had a firearm, no one would want to murder anyone else. It's like you being a criminal, and you're walking about a world of cops, and everyone else, besides you, is a cop. Would you be foolish to shoot someone knowing he had a gun, and would surely shoot you?
Even the threat of power, has power. (Let someone guess which quote this one came from) Think of a counter strike world. Say 10 people are comming at you with a knife, and you've got an ak. Who wins 90% of the time? (Assuming you're a good aim.)

Also, another stat that isn't seen is the one about knifes. There is an FBI stat which shows the deaths from knives is higher then that of any gun. The weapon of choice for the gangs is a knife. Not a gun like most people think from watching the movies. The media chooses to only show us time, after time, after time the horrible crimes guns can cause. Not knives.

Evil people are the problem. Not the guns. Gun control only makes US citizens less safe. Because, like drugs, guns can't be under 100% control. So, if no police has a gun, no person has one, then the the luck guy who got his ak-47, and a 50 round clip (No bashing the 50 round clip lol) is a god, because no one else can stop him.
And lets say, you can go back in time, and disinvent guns. History shows man's brutal behavior, and wars, and crimes will get started, no matter how much control you have.
True, some people say, "No one with a knife will murder 10 people in one day"
Well, how do we know this? Have there been reports on this? Can you trust the media to tell you everything? (That's NOT a conspiracy about the government statement.) Once again, if these mass muder scenes, like schools, and Virginia tech, if all those students had guns, don't you think the death could would have been lower?

Contries don't attack one another now (Unless you're Iraq) because all the contries, espcially the major world powers, know the other has not only a deadly army, and military force, but a nuclear arsenal. This threat of power has brougt peace. Everyone knows if you bomb the us, you'll get get hit hard back. So, as long as everyone is equaly matched, no one will attack, not unless another reason comes into play. (That's another story)

You have no idea how bad your idea is. I did think this was a great idea, everyone has guns so criminals don't know who to rob. I couldn't have been more wrong. Having the gun as a scare tactic is only going to work for so long. Theres a big difference between shooting a target, animal, and a human being standing feet from you looking into your eyes. I would bet the less than 10% of the population when faced with a life or death situation would pull the trigger and if you hesitate for just that second your dead first.

Thats where things go all wrong, owning a gun for personal protection and if you have a permit to carry is something different than lets arm everyone and their mother.

If all the students at VT had guns the death toll would have been higher from just plain bad shots. An AK is a great weapon however how the bulk of society views the gun and would use it makes it useless. Its highly in accurate on auto which everyone sees as the "cool" thing about the gun. The cool thing is the round it fires is amazing and has the ability to go through some types of body armor and the fact that you can't fuck up the gun. But a 50cal glock style hand gun would be the same thing in a smaller package and being smaller but easier to hide would be more deadly.

A knife is no where near the same as a gun and is not near as deadly nor does it have the potential to be as deadly. For a knife you have to be within feet or closer to be accurate(altho the variables to be deadly accurate vs an aware person are extremely high) where as a hand gun you have to be within 20yards, a shotgun 50yards, a rifle 200yards, and a high powered rifle 600yards. Dangerous knife vs any gun. come on. As for gangs using knives over guns, negative brother. Fuck seeing a movie or reading "stats" on the internet, live it. Watch people go after each other. You don't use a knife as your primary weapon in anything gang related because it gets you killed, quickly. I've seen it.

I've lived outside of DC and Baltimore my whole life(aside from 2yrs I spent in florida) I know violence and what it does. I actually want to move back to florida where people waved and were generally decent people. Here its gone to shit. I can't even goto the mall which is considered a "decencet" part of town without fear of being at least shot at. If your going to do anything put a metal detector at the door and arm the security guards.

I've lost a few friends to a bunch of different things and at least 1 has been to a shooting. However I still own a gun(registered) and will for hunting, personal protection, and because I enjoy to shoot. I think gun control laws are good where they are at. If you make them stricter then it will be harder for honest people to get a gun for whatever reason and criminals can get guns regardless so people would be less able to protect themselves. But giving everyone a gun is not a good idea. Altho I can go buy an M-16(or M4?) with the grenade launcher attachment for $4200. You can only buy chalk loads tho.

[RavenBeef]

You made some good points.

However, the knife is the weapon of choice for gangs. It's an FBI statistic. So, unless you want to argue with the whole FBI, then agree with it. I never said anything about using a gun vs a knife.
We're talking about unarmed civilians, vs someone armed. Namely, a knife. The majority of people aren't armed. Making them easy targets.
Guns are easy to get, no matter what laws anyone enforces. The same with drugs.

Gun laws are pointless, btw. If banning guns doesn't work, then how will gun laws? Illegal firearms are always easy to get from people. Not to mention, all the already owned guns.

Lets assume that guns are taken away. What will be used most now? Knifes? Baseball bats? Lets ban those next, since the death count is higher with these weapons. Ban/restrict/enforce laws for the prime death count weapon. Then we're down to logs, clubs, and sticks. Lets burn trees, and make cutting trees illegal. See? The murder problem doesn't go away. For as long as man lives, there will always be fights, anger, war, and murder. Banning guns wont change this in the least.


Make to everyone owning a gun:
Lets say, someone with a gunis going to go and kill 40 people this one day.
If those 40 people are armed with their own guns, yes, some will "hesitate" but, maybe not. In the heat of battle, adrenaline starts to flow. 1-40 WILL fire their gun to stop this guy. Unless you're suggesting that everyone is a cry baby, and would rather scream, yell, cry, and do nothing rather then step up. Which is obviously not true.

Knifes work.
All you need is about 4 gand members with knifes in their jackets, or sleeves. Walk up behind everyone, casual, normaly in line for what ever, then, everyone takes out their knife, slits the throat, or something, and bam! Silent, untraceable crime scene. Only dead bodies. We're not talking about a css moron running from across the map at someone with an m4. We're talking about getting up close fast enough.

Don't hate guns for your loss of friends. Guns aren't the problems. And if guns weren't around, it doesn't mean they'd still be alive either. All someone really needs is a hunting bow. These not only penetrate ALL forms of armor, but are silent as well.

My Mother hates Golf because her father used to get drunk at them, and come home, and beat the family. Does this make Golf bad? Of course not! Did this make alcohol bad? In the hands of the wrong person, yes. Same as firearms, fire, cars, knifes, etc etc. In the hands of the WRONG people, they're bad.
No one is trying to dispute this fact. I'm not at least. It's HUMAN nature. Man will always find ways to kill others, no matter how many laws, or weapons are restricted. Last I checked, weapons aren't allowed in prison either. Yet, there are a number of deaths that accure with, and WITHOUT weapons.

A gun in everyone's hand can't be proven, or disproven either way. The reason being because it's never been like this before. (The wild west movies don't count) We can argue all we want about a theoretical world. The fact of the matter is, gun laws don't work. Banning guns wont work. Murder will still accure. Placeing a gun in everyone's hand may work. We don't know. It hasn't been tested yet. Also, it would make the government impossible to control anyone in the event of a civil war. (Either for right, or wrong) The Civil War (1861–1865) was from the union/Government invading the south. Now, there are great debates as to who was right, or wrong in that war. Either way, the government wants full control, and doesn't want to have a war the next time they plan to enforce something new. Like, the Civil war.

[MegamanEXE]

As a gun collector, I have to disagree with Khaoz. I only use my firearms on ranges, and I own some guns I have never fired. If someone broke into my home, hell yes that shit would come out so fast and I would blow the head off of anyone invading my home to defend my family.

[KhaOZ]

Originally Posted by MegamanEXE

As a gun collector, I have to disagree with Khaoz. I only use my firearms on ranges, and I own some guns I have never fired. If someone broke into my home, hell yes that shit would come out so fast and I would blow the head off of anyone invading my home to defend my family.

So you agree with me then? Since I said, for home protection, and hunting purposes, isn't a big deal in this day. I just don't like how some people think they need to carry the guns ON them. I live in a state where it's legal to carry guns, and you see people with dual gun holsters, walking around like it's the old west. I don't agree with THAT part of it.


Shooting on a range isn't a big deal I guess. I mean, I do live infront of a military firing range(which is loud as fuck when i'm outside).