Gun control.

[KhaOZ]

I think if everyone had a gun, it'd be the wild west all over again. People wouldn't be allowed to argue, cause they'd end up shooting eachother. Sort of how the US is going now. Everyone is so up tight, no one greets eachother, people sitting next to eachother on a bus don't even say high or look at eachother, cause everyone is afraid of eachother. I'd much rather be in a world without guns, where I know if i call some low life a low life, he wont whip out a gun and shoot me. Or if I look at someone too long, they don't say "you got a problem" and stick a gun in my face. Or if i smile at a girl, her short, low self esteemed boyfriend who knows he could never step to me, doesn't walk over and lift his shirt to flash his gun. People who carry guns, are people who can't fight.

With the way the world is today, I can see people buying guns and keeping them in a safe place for home protection. Outside of that, you're just being a low self esteemed, paranoid, prick, and you're probably going to end up doing something stupid with the gun.

Just my opinion though, and everyone is entitled to one.

[RavenBeef]

Originally Posted by KhaoZ

I think if everyone had a gun, it'd be the wild west all over again. People wouldn't be allowed to argue, cause they'd end up shooting eachother. Sort of how the US is going now. Everyone is so up tight, no one greets eachother, people sitting next to eachother on a bus don't even say high or look at eachother, cause everyone is afraid of eachother. I'd much rather be in a world without guns, where I know if i call some low life a low life, he wont whip out a gun and shoot me. Or if I look at someone too long, they don't say "you got a problem" and stick a gun in my face. Or if i smile at a girl, her short, low self esteemed boyfriend who knows he could never step to me, doesn't walk over and lift his shirt to flash his gun. People who carry guns, are people who can't fight.

With the way the world is today, I can see people buying guns and keeping them in a safe place for home protection. Outside of that, you're just being a low self esteemed, paranoid, prick, and you're probably going to end up doing something stupid with the gun.

Just my opinion though, and everyone is entitled to one.

This is some of the most horrible logic I have ever heard...

I own a gun. It's fully registered, and everything. I know people up the street who own about 100 guns. (No joke) No one has done anything stupid.
You said before people are afraid of each other like on the bus, and people don't wave, or say hi anymore. This is due to fear. Fear that no one knows what the other will do. This is human nature, not guns. Knives can do the same thing a gun can, in fact, in a much quicker, and quieter fashion. So, if knives are banned, what's next? Fists? Then, lets ban martial arts too, because that makes us into lethal weapons.

Guns aren't the problem. You stated yourself, that it's the people who are the problem. Everyone is afraid. Putting a gun in everyone's hand makes people more equal in power to the other, rather then the one person with a gun because 10 levels higher then anyone else. Like I said, the common knowledge of guns in everyone's hand theory, would stop gun murders in their tracks. If you're a ba guy, and you want to kill someone in a populated area, and you know everyone else has a gun, you'll have to kill everyone before they shoot you.
These people that are so evil are the few. The major portion of humans aren't evil.

And who thinks killings would always take place like the wild west? Someone watches a little too much Dirty Harry, or other Clint Eastwood movies. ;)

Weapons are always getting bigger, and better. Before guns, it was swords. And the person with the greatest swordsmanship was the better one.
Taking away guns doesn't reduce crime, or murder. It does in fact make it easier. Like I said before, a world without guns would make no one have a defence against others. Thus, the person with the best knife training would be the killer IF he so desired to be.
Also, drugs are banned. But, I hear of alot of people getting their weed/pot. Drugs are illegal. Yeah, lets make guns illegal too. Seems illegal makes people stop having them for sure. Bummer to the moron who thinks this way.

A world without guns is a knife server in css, then someone hacks, and gets a gun.
Or, a normal server, where everyone is petty even to a degree, and someone speed hacks. He has a major advantage over everyone else.

[KhaOZ]

Originally Posted by RavenBeef

This is some of the most horrible logic I have ever heard...

I own a gun. It's fully registered, and everything. I know people up the street who own about 100 guns. (No joke) No one has done anything stupid.
You said before people are afraid of each other like on the bus, and people don't wave, or say hi anymore. This is due to fear. Fear that no one knows what the other will do. This is human nature, not guns. Knives can do the same thing a gun can, in fact, in a much quicker, and quieter fashion. So, if knives are banned, what's next? Fists? Then, lets ban martial arts too, because that makes us into lethal weapons.

Guns aren't the problem. You stated yourself, that it's the people who are the problem. Everyone is afraid. Putting a gun in everyone's hand makes people more equal in power to the other, rather then the one person with a gun because 10 levels higher then anyone else. Like I said, the common knowledge of guns in everyone's hand theory, would stop gun murders in their tracks. If you're a ba guy, and you want to kill someone in a populated area, and you know everyone else has a gun, you'll have to kill everyone before they shoot you.
These people that are so evil are the few. The major portion of humans aren't evil.

And who thinks killings would always take place like the wild west? Someone watches a little too much Dirty Harry, or other Clint Eastwood movies. ;)

Weapons are always getting bigger, and better. Before guns, it was swords. And the person with the greatest swordsmanship was the better one.
Taking away guns doesn't reduce crime, or murder. It does in fact make it easier. Like I said before, a world without guns would make no one have a defence against others. Thus, the person with the best knife training would be the killer IF he so desired to be.
Also, drugs are banned. But, I hear of alot of people getting their weed/pot. Drugs are illegal. Yeah, lets make guns illegal too. Seems illegal makes people stop having them for sure. Bummer to the moron who thinks this way.

A world without guns is a knife server in css, then someone hacks, and gets a gun.
Or, a normal server, where everyone is petty even to a degree, and someone speed hacks. He has a major advantage over everyone else.

I'll just have to disagree with everything you said. I don't have the time to explain to you why I believe you're wrong, especially since no matter what i said, you'd never change your view, and i'd never change mine, so it's a waste of time.

Anyway, like i said. Everyone can have an opinion, and everyone doesn't HAVE to agree with it. I grew up in areas where, if there was better gun control, or no guns at all, I'd probably have a few more friends today, so naturally I'll never agree with the pro gun point of view.

[Sc0rPi0n]

Originally Posted by RavenBeef

The major portion of humans aren't evil.

REALLY? I wonder why you would think that. Read up on all three of these.

There is a story called Gyges ring. Its an ancient story mentioned by Plato, he says that man is naturally evil, if you give him power without consequence he will use it to do evil.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_of_Gyges

Thomas Hobbes, one of the founders of today's democratic governments, said "No arts; no letters; no society; and which is worst of all, continual fear, and danger of violent death: and the life of man, solitary, poor, nasty, brutish and short." He basically argues that man is naturally evil, and that there is a need for government to control man, because without it there would be chaos and man would kill one another.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Hobbes#Leviathan

Dave Carnegie, one of the leading theorists on human psychology and the most influential humans relations scholars of the early 20th century said that no man does evil with the idea that they are wrong. Human beings act in circumstances that they influence themselves and believe to be in the right. I highly suggest you read the book "How to win friends and influence people", it can change your life.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_to_...fluence_people

[Kudos]

Originally Posted by RavenBeef

This is some of the most horrible logic I have ever heard...

I own a gun. It's fully registered, and everything. I know people up the street who own about 100 guns. (No joke) No one has done anything stupid.
You said before people are afraid of each other like on the bus, and people don't wave, or say hi anymore. This is due to fear. Fear that no one knows what the other will do. This is human nature, not guns. Knives can do the same thing a gun can, in fact, in a much quicker, and quieter fashion. So, if knives are banned, what's next? Fists? Then, lets ban martial arts too, because that makes us into lethal weapons.

Guns aren't the problem. You stated yourself, that it's the people who are the problem. Everyone is afraid. Putting a gun in everyone's hand makes people more equal in power to the other, rather then the one person with a gun because 10 levels higher then anyone else. Like I said, the common knowledge of guns in everyone's hand theory, would stop gun murders in their tracks. If you're a ba guy, and you want to kill someone in a populated area, and you know everyone else has a gun, you'll have to kill everyone before they shoot you.
These people that are so evil are the few. The major portion of humans aren't evil.

And who thinks killings would always take place like the wild west? Someone watches a little too much Dirty Harry, or other Clint Eastwood movies. ;)

Weapons are always getting bigger, and better. Before guns, it was swords. And the person with the greatest swordsmanship was the better one.
Taking away guns doesn't reduce crime, or murder. It does in fact make it easier. Like I said before, a world without guns would make no one have a defence against others. Thus, the person with the best knife training would be the killer IF he so desired to be.
Also, drugs are banned. But, I hear of alot of people getting their weed/pot. Drugs are illegal. Yeah, lets make guns illegal too. Seems illegal makes people stop having them for sure. Bummer to the moron who thinks this way.

A world without guns is a knife server in css, then someone hacks, and gets a gun.
Or, a normal server, where everyone is petty even to a degree, and someone speed hacks. He has a major advantage over everyone else.

i think you made a couple good points along with khaos, but i think its funny how you say someones logic doesnt make sense then start to compare the worlds to a cs server

[RavenBeef]

Originally Posted by Sc0rPi0n

REALLY? I wonder why you would think that. Read up on all three of these.

There is a story called Gyges ring. Its an ancient story mentioned by Plato, he says that man is naturally evil, if you give him power without consequence he will use it to do evil.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_of_Gyges

Thomas Hobbes, one of the founders of today's democratic governments, said "No arts; no letters; no society; and which is worst of all, continual fear, and danger of violent death: and the life of man, solitary, poor, nasty, brutish and short." He basically argues that man is naturally evil, and that there is a need for government to control man, because without it there would be chaos and man would kill one another.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Hobbes#Leviathan

Dave Carnegie, one of the leading theorists on human psychology and the most influential humans relations scholars of the early 20th century said that no man does evil with the idea that they are wrong. Human beings act in circumstances that they influence themselves and believe to be in the right. I highly suggest you read the book "How to win friends and influence people", it can change your life.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_to_...fluence_people

Yes, I agree. Without laws, and consequence, man is uncontrollable, and evil hearted.
Let me rephrase myself. The major portion of people don't go and murder everyone else. You said it yourself; people where you are still say hi, wave, etc, etc.

Originally Posted by Kudos

i think you made a couple good points along with khaos, but i think its funny how you say someones logic doesnt make sense then start to compare the worlds to a cs server

Thanks.
And I was mostly talking about this statement:

Originally Posted by KhaoZ

With the way the world is today, I can see people buying guns and keeping them in a safe place for home protection. Outside of that, you're just being a low self esteemed, paranoid, prick, and you're probably going to end up doing something stupid with the gun.

[Sc0rPi0n]

Originally Posted by KhaoZ

I think if everyone had a gun, it'd be the wild west all over again. People wouldn't be allowed to argue, cause they'd end up shooting eachother. Sort of how the US is going now. Everyone is so up tight, no one greets eachother, people sitting next to eachother on a bus don't even say high or look at eachother, cause everyone is afraid of eachother. I'd much rather be in a world without guns, where I know if i call some low life a low life, he wont whip out a gun and shoot me. Or if I look at someone too long, they don't say "you got a problem" and stick a gun in my face. Or if i smile at a girl, her short, low self esteemed boyfriend who knows he could never step to me, doesn't walk over and lift his shirt to flash his gun. People who carry guns, are people who can't fight.

With the way the world is today, I can see people buying guns and keeping them in a safe place for home protection. Outside of that, you're just being a low self esteemed, paranoid, prick, and you're probably going to end up doing something stupid with the gun.

Just my opinion though, and everyone is entitled to one.

I really don't know anyone who is "scared" per say that somebody is going to pull a gun on them. I don't live in New York or whatever, so my opinion is based on living in a small town city and commuting to a big city(Tampa). Compared to what everybody says about other cities, I think I live in paradise. If you break down, there is almost always somebody that stops and helps you. In places like grocery stores, everybody nods at one another or smiles. As for my friends, I don't care, I will yell across a mall to say hi to my friends and always give them handshakes. A Hispanic kid(22yrs old) asked me if he could use my cellphone. I let him, when nobody picked up, I drove him home.

Now, if I was living in a poor area of a big city, or was near a bunch of black or Hispanic people, I would probably second guess talking to them or getting near them. But that isn't necessarily because I am scared they are going to pull a gun on me, its because I am scared that they could mug me or do drugs or any of the hundreds of generalizations that are typically made about minorities.

[RavenBeef]

Originally Posted by Sc0rPi0n

Now, if I was living in a poor area of a big city, or was near a bunch of black or Hispanic people, I would probably second guess talking to them or getting near them. But that isn't necessarily because I am scared they are going to pull a gun on me, its because I am scared that they could mug me or do drugs or any of the hundreds of generalizations that are typically made about minorities.

lol I like your stereotypical thinking here.
But, honestly, I do agree that this image has a sense of fear. I would be more afraid of getting stabbed in the back then shot with a gun. Guns kill fast. Being stabbed in the back is one, more likely, since it's silent, two is more painful, since bad stuff happens.

Murder without a trace of evidence. Or, murder that wakes up the whole town.