Gun control.

[RavenBeef]

Don't have the time? Then don't play any video games anymore, and don't ever post again.

It takes 10-20 minutes. Unless of course, you're saying you don't want to make time for it... Then, the argument is blown, and laughable.

[RavenBeef]

Originally Posted by Sc0rPi0n

Now, if I was living in a poor area of a big city, or was near a bunch of black or Hispanic people, I would probably second guess talking to them or getting near them. But that isn't necessarily because I am scared they are going to pull a gun on me, its because I am scared that they could mug me or do drugs or any of the hundreds of generalizations that are typically made about minorities.

lol I like your stereotypical thinking here.
But, honestly, I do agree that this image has a sense of fear. I would be more afraid of getting stabbed in the back then shot with a gun. Guns kill fast. Being stabbed in the back is one, more likely, since it's silent, two is more painful, since bad stuff happens.

Murder without a trace of evidence. Or, murder that wakes up the whole town.

[Sc0rPi0n]

Originally Posted by RavenBeef

The major portion of humans aren't evil.

REALLY? I wonder why you would think that. Read up on all three of these.

There is a story called Gyges ring. Its an ancient story mentioned by Plato, he says that man is naturally evil, if you give him power without consequence he will use it to do evil.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_of_Gyges

Thomas Hobbes, one of the founders of today's democratic governments, said "No arts; no letters; no society; and which is worst of all, continual fear, and danger of violent death: and the life of man, solitary, poor, nasty, brutish and short." He basically argues that man is naturally evil, and that there is a need for government to control man, because without it there would be chaos and man would kill one another.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Hobbes#Leviathan

Dave Carnegie, one of the leading theorists on human psychology and the most influential humans relations scholars of the early 20th century said that no man does evil with the idea that they are wrong. Human beings act in circumstances that they influence themselves and believe to be in the right. I highly suggest you read the book "How to win friends and influence people", it can change your life.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_to_...fluence_people

[Fulgora]

fuck I miss my C-9

[Kudos]

Originally Posted by RavenBeef

This is some of the most horrible logic I have ever heard...

I own a gun. It's fully registered, and everything. I know people up the street who own about 100 guns. (No joke) No one has done anything stupid.
You said before people are afraid of each other like on the bus, and people don't wave, or say hi anymore. This is due to fear. Fear that no one knows what the other will do. This is human nature, not guns. Knives can do the same thing a gun can, in fact, in a much quicker, and quieter fashion. So, if knives are banned, what's next? Fists? Then, lets ban martial arts too, because that makes us into lethal weapons.

Guns aren't the problem. You stated yourself, that it's the people who are the problem. Everyone is afraid. Putting a gun in everyone's hand makes people more equal in power to the other, rather then the one person with a gun because 10 levels higher then anyone else. Like I said, the common knowledge of guns in everyone's hand theory, would stop gun murders in their tracks. If you're a ba guy, and you want to kill someone in a populated area, and you know everyone else has a gun, you'll have to kill everyone before they shoot you.
These people that are so evil are the few. The major portion of humans aren't evil.

And who thinks killings would always take place like the wild west? Someone watches a little too much Dirty Harry, or other Clint Eastwood movies. ;)

Weapons are always getting bigger, and better. Before guns, it was swords. And the person with the greatest swordsmanship was the better one.
Taking away guns doesn't reduce crime, or murder. It does in fact make it easier. Like I said before, a world without guns would make no one have a defence against others. Thus, the person with the best knife training would be the killer IF he so desired to be.
Also, drugs are banned. But, I hear of alot of people getting their weed/pot. Drugs are illegal. Yeah, lets make guns illegal too. Seems illegal makes people stop having them for sure. Bummer to the moron who thinks this way.

A world without guns is a knife server in css, then someone hacks, and gets a gun.
Or, a normal server, where everyone is petty even to a degree, and someone speed hacks. He has a major advantage over everyone else.

i think you made a couple good points along with khaos, but i think its funny how you say someones logic doesnt make sense then start to compare the worlds to a cs server

[RavenBeef]

Originally Posted by Sc0rPi0n

REALLY? I wonder why you would think that. Read up on all three of these.

There is a story called Gyges ring. Its an ancient story mentioned by Plato, he says that man is naturally evil, if you give him power without consequence he will use it to do evil.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_of_Gyges

Thomas Hobbes, one of the founders of today's democratic governments, said "No arts; no letters; no society; and which is worst of all, continual fear, and danger of violent death: and the life of man, solitary, poor, nasty, brutish and short." He basically argues that man is naturally evil, and that there is a need for government to control man, because without it there would be chaos and man would kill one another.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Hobbes#Leviathan

Dave Carnegie, one of the leading theorists on human psychology and the most influential humans relations scholars of the early 20th century said that no man does evil with the idea that they are wrong. Human beings act in circumstances that they influence themselves and believe to be in the right. I highly suggest you read the book "How to win friends and influence people", it can change your life.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_to_...fluence_people

Yes, I agree. Without laws, and consequence, man is uncontrollable, and evil hearted.
Let me rephrase myself. The major portion of people don't go and murder everyone else. You said it yourself; people where you are still say hi, wave, etc, etc.

Originally Posted by Kudos

i think you made a couple good points along with khaos, but i think its funny how you say someones logic doesnt make sense then start to compare the worlds to a cs server

Thanks.
And I was mostly talking about this statement:

Originally Posted by KhaoZ

With the way the world is today, I can see people buying guns and keeping them in a safe place for home protection. Outside of that, you're just being a low self esteemed, paranoid, prick, and you're probably going to end up doing something stupid with the gun.

[KhaOZ]

Originally Posted by RavenBeef

Don't have the time? Then don't play any video games anymore, and don't ever post again.

It takes 10-20 minutes. Unless of course, you're saying you don't want to make time for it... Then, the argument is blown, and laughable.

I'm sorry if videogames, and everything else takes priority over me arguing with you over gun control, but, yes, I mean I don't have time to waste on a pointless argument, that at the end of, neither person will have changed their point of view in the slightest. So why not skip the whole thing, and get to the "moving on" part?

I probably shouldn't have said anything at all, cause now I'm just wasting time making this reply. My bad.

[RavenBeef]

In other words, you have no argument.
I understand. It's okay.

[KhaOZ]

Originally Posted by RavenBeef

In other words, you have no argument.
I understand. It's okay.

Sure, if that's what you want to believe. I'm done arguing with you though, if you want to keep trying to get on my shit list, be my guest. I've tried to be decent and civil and not get into an argument, but you seem so intent on causing a ruckus.

If you can't handle people having a difference in opinion from you, perhaps the internet isn't a good place to be? Please stop coming at me like some school yard kid, trying to egg on a fight. I know your opinion, you know mine, there's no reason to keep restating it in different words, trying to prove one of us has a bigger epeen. Let's just relax, agree to disagree, and all be cool :)

[Sc0rPi0n]

This is as calm as I have ever seen Khaoz. Life must be good